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Ron Mexico

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Have we ended up with Dejounte, Trent jr, OG, Collins, and Lauri starting with Kessler rotating in with the bigs yet?

I would gladly trade anyone else on the team and a bunch of picks to make that happen(2 or 3 to each team depending on the players they get and protections). We would still have a bunch of picks left and that's an elite group on both ends and all 26 or younger.
 

KqWIN

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I like the rumored trades, just hope Ainge finds a deal and pulls the trigger on them.

For a Conley+Gay package, I would accept:

Jackson+Kennard
DeAngelo Russell
Lonzo Ball

For Clarkson/Beasley+Vando I would accept:
John Collins (plus a first?)
 

checkbookdoc

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Trade I most want: Jared Vanderbilt + '23 HOU/BKN/PHI FRP for Killian Hayes

Killian is a young and improving guard under team control. Offensively, I love that he is a pass-first floor general because the players we have are really good finishers and being set-up takes the offense to another level (just look what Conley being on the floor does). I think being around Conley would be good for him. Defensively, Killian would set us up to be a really good defense with Walker in the middle, Lauri as help defender, Ochai and Killian on the perimeter.

The problem is that Killian has been a bad scorer. But, he is shooting 33% from 3 this year, has evened out his drives to the left/right, and improved his mid-range game. I think he will have siginificant improvement over the next few years (drawing fouls, finishing at the rim, and even his 3 ball), but even if he can just maintain his play over the last 25 games he could be awesome. I also think he would get a boost from being surrounded by better players. Kind of like Draymond Green is not valuable on bad teams, but really impactful when the other players are good. If you take his current playmaking/defense and add offensive skills he would be a borderline allstar player.

Pistons hopefully would be open to it because Hayes is redundant with their young core (Already have Ivy and Cunningham) and unless they win the lottery are going to draft another ball dominant player. So Vanderbilt would help balance the roster a little better. I would be willing to overpay for him because there are not a lot of floor generals with size and defense. All you really need is for him to get 10% better as a scorer to have a really good player that makes our roster fit.
 

Saint Cy of JFC

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Trade I most want: Jared Vanderbilt + '23 HOU/BKN/PHI FRP for Killian Hayes

Killian is a young and improving guard under team control. Offensively, I love that he is a pass-first floor general because the players we have are really good finishers and being set-up takes the offense to another level (just look what Conley being on the floor does). I think being around Conley would be good for him. Defensively, Killian would set us up to be a really good defense with Walker in the middle, Lauri as help defender, Ochai and Killian on the perimeter.

The problem is that Killian has been a bad scorer. But, he is shooting 33% from 3 this year, has evened out his drives to the left/right, and improved his mid-range game. I think he will have siginificant improvement over the next few years (drawing fouls, finishing at the rim, and even his 3 ball), but even if he can just maintain his play over the last 25 games he could be awesome. I also think he would get a boost from being surrounded by better players. Kind of like Draymond Green is not valuable on bad teams, but really impactful when the other players are good. If you take his current playmaking/defense and add offensive skills he would be a borderline allstar player.

Pistons hopefully would be open to it because Hayes is redundant with their young core (Already have Ivy and Cunningham) and unless they win the lottery are going to draft another ball dominant player. So Vanderbilt would help balance the roster a little better. I would be willing to overpay for him because there are not a lot of floor generals with size and defense. All you really need is for him to get 10% better as a scorer to have a really good player that makes our roster fit.
Hell ****ing no.
 

Saint Cy of JFC

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Killian may develop into a solid backup PG one day, but he's still a scrub currently. He's an improving scrub, but still a scrub.

I'd rather take my chances drafting Marcus Sasser as the back end of the 1st if we really wanted a young PG prospect (but I really wouldnt want to do that either)
 

checkbookdoc

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Killian may develop into a solid backup PG one day, but he's still a scrub currently. He's an improving scrub, but still a scrub.

I'd rather take my chances drafting Marcus Sasser as the back end of the 1st if we really wanted a young PG prospect (but I really wouldnt want to do that either)
I think you are wrong about this. Killian is a 5% uptick in 3pt percentage away from being an above average offensive PG (he is already well above average on the defensive end). He is also younger than Sasser.
 


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