Florida Airport Shooting - 5 Dead 13 hurt

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Why?

You disagree?

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[Deleted member 848]

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No, I'm asking you why there are more.

It leads to the point Siro was making-- the level of fundamentalism across the Islamic empire has undergone *massive* shifts & this would be impossible if we assume religious practice to always be a direct manifestation of text

 

[Deleted member 848]

It's funny to see Siro (a man who had so many reservations with Islamic theology and faith that he left) to sit here defending the right of people to practice it.

Really speaks to how poisoned dialogue has become with regards to the Islamic faith

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

No, I'm asking you why there are more.

It leads to the point Siro was making-- the level of fundamentalism across the Islamic empire has undergone *massive* shifts & this would be impossible if we assume religious practice to always be a direct manifestation of text

Well for one, more people practice Islam, so I'd assume there is a bigger raw number. I'd also soon a bigger percentage because Islam seems to less impacted by modern pop culture to change.

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[Hotdog]

Hack upset about his sister's relations with me again it seems

I dont think its a coincidence that that is your go to.

The seizure of Infidel girls and their use as sex slaves is sanctioned in the Qur’an. According to Islamic law, Muslim men can take “captives of the right hand” (Qur’an 4:3, 4:24, 33:50). The Qur’an says: “O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war” (33:50). 4:3 and 4:24 extend this privilege to Muslim men in general. The Qur’an says that a man may have sex with his wives and with these slave girls: “The believers must (eventually) win through, those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess, for (in their case) they are free from blame.” (Qur’an 23:1-6)

The rape of captive women is also sanctioned in Islamic tradition:

Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa’id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa’id, did you hear Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-’azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing ‘azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of ***** to avoid conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born. (Sahih Muslim 3371)

Rape isn't cool Dalaraper.

 

[DutchJazzer]

It seems to me like 'gun control' is like a dirty word, you can't say it without getting lots of backlash, arguments, etc.


I feel like more studies need to be done on this. Maybe do trial in a remote area and see if stricter gun control would lead to less gun related incidents? More background checks, required you to renewal it yearly like your car's warrant of fitness?


Maybe such a trial has even already been done?

france had gun control!

yet they have the deadliest mass shooting in modenr history!


extre,egun control sure helped them. and don't use the Chicago excuse, because neighbouring countries also had extreme gun control!!!

 

[bigb]

But why not both? Does it have to be one or the other?

Both what? More gun control and help the mentally ill? No, it doesn't have to be one or the other. But why would you punish the vast majority because of the few? Chicago is proving strict gun control is not automatically going to improve things.


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[DutchJazzer]

if gun control works can someone tell eme how the terrorist attack in fracne happened?

oor how about the guys Boarding a train in Amsterdam with ak47?

 

[LogGrad98]

if gun control works can someone tell eme how the terrorist attack in fracne happened?

oor how about the guys Boarding a train in Amsterdam with ak47?

Imo terrorism is something different entirely.

 

[Stoked]

Using the stats of a gun free town or city in America will always be heavily skewed. It is surrounded by areas that do not have the same gun laws and travel in unhindered. It's not the same as an independent country. Let's stop pretending it isn't heavily affected by being part of America.

Also the problems in Chicago go far beyond gun control. Yes it plays a part, for sure, but it is not a sole cause. Gangs, lack of educational opportunity, drugs, lack of economic opportunity, gun control, pay for play, corruption... like the TIF in Chicago often being used to fund the improvement of already wealthy areas of the city instead of the propping up poor areas like it was created to do. It all comes together to destroy a great American city.

Was going to address the Muslim angle but like [MENTION=848]dalamon[/MENTION] said, [MENTION=40]Siro[/MENTION] crushed it.

 

[The Midnight]

Both what? More gun control and help the mentally ill? No, it doesn't have to be one or the other. But why would you punish the vast majority because of the few? Chicago is proving strict gun control is not automatically going to improve things.


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1. Yesterday I showed you research that showed evidence of correlation between stricter gun laws and homicides/suicide rates. I mean if you're going to keep ignoring that then we're just going to keep going round and round in circles.


I've repasted the link below for you.

Link: https://reason.com/blog/2015/09/02/do-strict-firearm-laws-give-states-lower


2. According to the article/study below, mental illness only accounts for 4% of all firearms homicides. So even if we can help all the mentally ill it still represents a very small number. Don't forget there are over 33,636 deaths due to "Injury by firearms" in the US in 2013.

Link: https://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/25/health/gun-violence-mental-health-issue/

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States



Clearly more can be done so I don't really understand you wanting to limit the scope of potential solutions. I'm not saying stricter gun control is the only solution, I just see it as one of many potential solutions.

 

[MVP]

I personally don't view it like that (I don't think). To me it goes back to the thought of "if someone wants to do damage with a gun, they will, regardless of the laws/rules." Look at Chicago. It has some of the strictest (if not the most strict) gun laws in this country. Yet the number shooting deaths rises continually.


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Chicago is still in USA. It is so easy to take a short trip to Indiana or Milwaukee and come back with trunk full of guns.