Following potential 2015 draftees

[Park Bites]

Umh... don't like the option with David Lee. He's got 15M contract... and Barnes - 3M. That means we have to send back 12M to them at the very least. We don't have the players to be able to make the trade. We have 8M in non-guaranteed contracts(that includes Millsap and Booker), Trey 2.5M, Jerret 0.9M ... we will need 1M more just to make salaries match. We don't have those... we simply don't. Who are we going to send them? Hood?

For me Millsap and Booker are marginal assets, Trey is a marginal asset(maybe somewhat more valuable than Booker and Millsap), lottery pick is very valuable, Hood is very valuable.

So in general we are sending to them 2 great assets, 3 marginal assets, in order to get a 1 year rental on Lee and possibly the best asset in that trade in Barnes?

Thanks but no thanks. I don't like it. Just the pick for Barnes is better deal to me.

I never looked at the salaries but what about oubre and a future first (lotto protected) for barnes?

 

[stitches]

I guess the question is--how to rank the following:

Looney, Oubre, Turner, Portis, Lyles

It's not real clear to me yet.

You can even add Poeltl to the list.

Quite honestly... I kinda like some things about all of them. Right now I'd probably rank them:

Oubre, Portis, Looney, Turner, Lyles...

 

[stitches]

I never looked at the salaries but what about oubre and a future first (lotto protected) for barnes?

When I did that proposal in RealGM I got overwhelming response(not from Utah fans, from everybody) that this is overpaying for Barnes and that just this lottery pick should be enough.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I never looked at the salaries but what about oubre and a future first (lotto protected) for barnes?

Gawd No! Barnes is so vanilla. He will get paid a bunch in 2016 based on some perceived potential/name recognition plus the cap skyrocketing. Either he or hood would be getting 15 minutes a night when we are healthy if we acquired him.

I wouldn't do our pick straight up let alone add another pick. What exactly does Barnes do well?

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Gawd No! Barnes is so vanilla. He will get paid a bunch in 2016 based on some perceived potential/name recognition plus the cap skyrocketing. Either he or hood would be getting 15 minutes a night when we are healthy if we acquired him.

I wouldn't do our pick straight up let alone add another pick. What exactly does Barnes do well?

Amen. Barnes is a poor man's Hood.

 

[spycam1]

The water could not be more muddy where we're picking.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The water could not be more muddy where we're picking.

I still think we can move up... If we are drafting 11 moving up to 8 or 9 could mean a big difference. Maybe Charlotte falls in love with Booker (they need shooting) we send our pick and take back the contract or Marvin Williams.

I wonder if Trey Burke is appealing to Detroit or Sacramento... Does Trey plus a future pick and the 11 get us to 6 or 8? i think it is worth paying a premium to move up.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I guess the question is--how to rank the following:

Looney, Oubre, Turner, Portis, Lyles

It's not real clear to me yet.

For me;
Oubre
Lyles
Portis
Looney(a)
Turner(b)

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Miami is at an interesting crossroad as a franchise. I think they might give us 10 for 12 if there are multiple guys they like about the same and we throw in a 2nd-round pick. From 10, we might be able to trade up to 7 or 8 with a player or another pick involved. I'm reaching here a bit, obviously.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

I still think we can move up... If we are drafting 11 moving up to 8 or 9 could mean a big difference. Maybe Charlotte falls in love with Booker (they need shooting) we send our pick and take back the contract or Marvin Williams.

I wonder if Trey Burke is appealing to Detroit or Sacramento... Does Trey plus a future pick and the 11 get us to 6 or 8? i think it is worth paying a premium to move up.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'd be curious to know who you think they could get at 8 that is significantly better than at than 11.

Because in my opinion, up through 11, there are 3 tiers -- first: KAT, JO and DRuss. second: Winslow and I'll include Hezonja and Mudiay based on what some here think and just general consensus. Then the third tier lasts until about 11-13. Just not seeing much difference between 8 and 11.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'd be curious to know who you think they could get at 8 that is significantly better than at than 11.

Because in my opinion, up through 11, there are 3 tiers -- first: KAT, JO and DRuss. second: Winslow and I'll include Hezonja and Mudiay based on what some here think and just general consensus. Then the third tier lasts until about 11-13. Just not seeing much difference between 8 and 11.

I think the tiers are

tier 1
KAT
JO
Russ
Mudiay

Tier 2
Winslow
WCS - A lot of teams that need his skill set

Tier 3
Hezonja
Porzingis
Johnson

Tier 4
Frank the Tank (he deserves his own tier)

Tier 5
The guys we are talking about... okay Frank could be here.

I think Johnson, Hezonja, and Porzingis are all much better prospects. Johnson seems to have dropped a bit and I'm not really sure why. I think he could come in and be our 4th or 5th wing next year but also play some spot minutes at the 4. It wouldn't be his full time position, but I could see him being successful guarding stretch 4s and causing matchup issues on offense.

 

[Maneesh]

What happened to the coin flip guys?