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If our draft pick doesn't net us someone like Jordan, Duncan, or James then it's a waste...
 
dalamon said:
the reason we sold low on him is because every ****ing coach knew that the easiest way to defeat Utah was to run constant pick-and-rolls with [whoever]/Kanter, and watch Utah bleed 120 points a game. Coaches aren't stupid: our players are constantly scouted. He's a non-versatile offensive player who can only help himself score, doesn't fit in a team offense, and only functions as a decent pick-and-pop player + offensive rebounder. Tomic and Kaminsky both have much higher ceilings as bench bigs on this team.
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Maybe I didn't express my thoughts very well, but I was addressing the idea that Utah killed Kanter's trade value by drafting him into a logjam situation. I disagree with that completely. This kind of reminds me of a few years ago when many people on this board claimed Al Jefferson couldn't be traded because he had no value. Then he goes out and gets signed to another big contract. Go figure. Utah got 60 cents on the dollar for Enes mainly due to contract status. Had Utah been able to hold on to him long enough to get him signed long term, he would have been a significant trade asset at the deadline next year, but he forced our hand and we took what we could get. Even with his defensive issues, Enes has value as a post scorer/rebounder, and with a player that young, there will always be teams who think he might still improve in that area. Hell, there were people on this board who thought we would dump him for a second rounder.
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As for your post on drafting for fit, I'm sure there are probably some people on this board who would have passed on Exum because we already had Trey. I'll just take solace in the fact that DL didn't think that way. Like I said before, when the difference between two players is negligible, then you can draft for fit. Otherwise, always draft BPA and work out the details later. It really is that simple. Doesn't mean there are never exceptions to the rule, and sometimes even the experts get it wrong, but that's the model you go by.
 
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mct said:
I don't agree with myself entirely either. Obviously take the markedly better player. All I'm saying is logjams aren't always easy to sort out. Unless you come out with a real star in the end, you're going to bleed value and harm chemistry.
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Obviously there are a lot of variables. However, I don't think the Kanter problem can be blamed on drafting him into a logjam, and I assume that's what you are referring to, no?
 
You take best player available if they are a talent tier above the other players available. If they are close in talent you draft for long term fit. I'd personally rather have Frank, but I understand the case for booker. Hood isn't a sure thing yet neither is Alec, but for different reasons. What if Hood never gets healthy or Alec never quite puts it all together. If we are a playoff team next year it is likely that it won't be with a rookie playing a major role. It might be better to have someone develop where we have depth and fill the other positions of real need with veterans.

Pretty clear that booker would have a better attitude than Kanter... My guess is Oubre would have more drive than kanter did as well. That guy is all kinds of weird. We shouldn't compare anyone to him really.
 
bobby portis is also a good fit and I like his motor

kaminsky answers a lot of questions but what is his ceiling?

booker is very interesting and has a chance to be very good.

oubre has the measurement but does he have the heart?

I don't want any of the pgs in the lottery

dekker I have followed for 2 years watched a lot and I don't want him. his shooting is to hot and cold. he also doesn't seem dialed in at times and can coast.

looney I think would be a good fit. I don't think he is ready to be a big contributor right off the bat but will grow with this team.

lyles I like a lot and I think he would make a good stretch 4 but I like kaminsky more.

of course you all know I am a super fan of Justin Anderson.
 
mct said:
Rudy is possibly better today than he would have been had he not had to work to earn his starting job. But it put the front office in a position where they had no choice but to trade Kanter. Kanter knew if he was going to get paid he needed to be find a better situation for himself.
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Kanter was starting over Rudy, and he was getting plenty of minutes to earn a big payday. It was only a few weeks before his trade demand that he put up b2b games of 17/24 and 16/23. Not only that, but he has proven that he was intentionally not passing the ball because of his ****ty attitude, since he magically learned how to pass once he left. I believe Kanter wanted out due to a poor rapport with his teammates, but whatever it was, it certainly wasn't lack of opportunity. and the excuse that he was still pissed about unfair treatment the year before doesn't make sense either if he was so concerned about earning his next paycheck. He had plenty of chance to play for his next contract and instead chose to act like a spoiled brat. Meanwhile, Rudy was playing off the bench and waiting for his chance, even though he had clearly already earned the starting spot. Fans need to stop making excuses for players like Enes.
 
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I like Johnson a ton and would be ecstatic to get one of the big 3 wings (hezonja, Winslow Johnson)

turner is the dark horse of this draft. his defense fits right in and his shot might be huge. he like looney is not ready now but will grow with this team
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Obviously there are a lot of variables. However, I don't think the Kanter problem can be blamed on drafting him into a logjam, and I assume that's what you are referring to, no?
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No, Kanter's value plummeted much later, and that's mostly on him. It was Millsap and Jefferson's value that took the hit at the time. We took on two big men, each drafted #3 overall. There was no future on the team for Millsap and Jefferson after that. They knew it. The whole league knew it. We as fans turned on them because we thought they were standing in the way of Favors and Kanter. No way they were going to stick around.

All I'm saying is logjams can force front offices into bad decisions. Look no further than the Suns' point guard situation this year.
 
Dr. Jones said:
It's going to be Kaminsky.

He stretches the floor on offense and Rudy is there to offset any out-on-the-floor deficiencies.

We do not need a PG. (Exum/Burke)
We don't really need a SG. (Burks/Hood)
We don't really need a SF. (Hayward/Hood)
We don't need a C. (Gobert/Favors)

We do need another different-look PF.

I'm not totally sold on Kaminsky being a PF..... except for one team. The one with Gobert.
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The numbers when Kanter and Gobert played together were actually pretty good, so I could see Kaminsky and Gobert working well together.
 
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