Following potential 2015 draftees

[Maneesh]

05-22-2015 08:40 PM
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Thread: Following potential 2015 draftees
I don't like you

Ohh really? Lol Jesus what a disaster.

And btw. I like you. Sending positive vibes your way.

 

[Maneesh]

I love all of them. But when I mentioned Turner people said he has major issues laterally. Shrug. Do you know anything to dispel this?

Turner is certainly not worse than kamisky laterally. Far more athletic, nice shot, upside. Sounds like a good option for me. In our spot I am looking at ( in no particular order)

Booker
turner
decker
Portis
Oubre
Looney

 

[Maneesh]

Frank's not a T-rex. Doesn't have a great wingspan, but standing reach matters too, esp. for bigs. Frank's standing reach is equal to (among others):
Andre Drummond
Steven Adams
Tiago Splitter

Is 1/2" below Derrick Favors and LaMarcus Aldridge

And is higher than:
Taj Gibson
Greg Monroe
Tristan Thompson
Myers Leonard
Festus Ezeli
Anthony Davis
Mason Plumlee
Noah Vonleh
Greg Monroe
Nene
Chris Bosh
Amare Stoudemire
Kwame Brown
Al Horford
Joachim Noah

What you are saying is he has a long torso....and short arms...t-Rex by definition. Defense isn't played straight up all the time bro.

 

[Maneesh]

Don't know if anybody's made a Kelly Oubre/Wesley Johnson comparison yet. Maybe there's something to it. Seemed to have been regarded as similarly tooled players. Very similar size (including reach -- Oubre a bit better in wingspan, Johnson in standing reach).

Despite the general narrative, Johnson was pretty good as a freshman -- not quite as good as Oubre, but probably not as far behind as many imagine. Both had questions coming out about their motor/toughness.

Actually if Johnson had been drafted #12, we'd probably think there's nothing particularly wrong with the way his career has played out.

For me it's his handles that would scare me off. He has a gifted body, but never learned to play the right way.

 

[Doublea]

Im just going to say that I really don't know how any of these players are going to turn out and that the draft has a lot of luck to it....

 

[Park Bites]

have a draft trade proposal to bounce of you guys

toronto trades

- Terrence Ross
- Patrick Patterson

jazz trade

- trevor booker
- trey Burke
- #12 pick

both Patterson and Ross a good to decent 3 pt shooters.

exum, Beverly, cotton
burks, hood, millsap
Hayward, Ross, ingles
favors, Patterson
Gobert, pleiss

 

[stitches]

Patrick Patterson? I like him but not enough to give up the lottery pick for him. Terrence Ross had a horrible season and will have to be paid next year. I don't like the trade as it is proposed and they don't have anywhere near the value we would be giving up.

 

[orangello]

have a draft trade proposal to bounce of you guys

toronto trades

- Terrence Ross
- Reuben Patterson

jazz trade

- trevor booker
- trey Burke
- #12 pick

both Patterson and Ross a good to decent 3 pt shooters.

exum, Beverly, cotton
burks, hood, millsap
Hayward, Ross, ingles
favors, Patterson
Gobert, pleiss

I've heard multiple times that the Jazz don't like Ross at all.

 

[spycam1]

I think Handlotgen's really killing it on why Locke's take (thus far) on Kaminsky is short-sighted.

But Locke nevertheless does make the point that DL has done well with long-toolsy types such as Leonard and Gobert that need skill development. I think Locke adds that these guys have had the drive to work and be great. Is anybody out there like that? I'm guessing that Looney may be the closest. Not sure I'm sold on Oubre's drive (though to be honest, don't know enough about Looney's drive one way or the other, but I think his in-game motor is generally better).

I think Locke errs when he said that Leonard and Gobert are also great athletes. They're certainly very good, but it's not the vertical leaps that are most impressive; lateral ability, body control, etc. is as much or more of a factor. Again, here, I think Looney should at least be explored, but no idea if he measures up.

Good post.

I've been very pro Looney.

 

[spycam1]

have a draft trade proposal to bounce of you guys

toronto trades

- Terrence Ross
- Reuben Patterson

jazz trade

- trevor booker
- trey Burke
- #12 pick

both Patterson and Ross a good to decent 3 pt shooters.

exum, Beverly, cotton
burks, hood, millsap
Hayward, Ross, ingles
favors, Patterson
Gobert, pleiss

no

 

[Park Bites]

Patrick Patterson? I like him but not enough to give up the lottery pick for him. Terrence Ross had a horrible season and will have to be paid next year. I don't like the trade as it is proposed and they don't have anywhere near the value we would be giving up.

yes thank you patrick

 

[idiot]

exum, Beverly, cotton
burks, hood, millsap
Hayward, Ross, ingles
favors, Patterson
Gobert, pleiss

A couple of days ago Pleiss was reported to be moving to a German team. Some kind of agreement with FC Barcelona that they would move on from him but still pay part of his salary. No idea if this affects Jazz's relationship with him.