Following Potential 2020 draftees

[Game6Conley]

I am just not a maledon fan. i want to be but I just can't. that means he will be amazing

Been following his story for I think it's gotta be like5 years.. He was always very highly ranked.. Always had the same sorta "i'm not really a fan" impression..

Though this latest season IMO was by-far his most impressive work, so I guess I'm kinda conflicted....

But really IMO at the Jazz spot in the draft, it's not a conflict at all, Maledon turns 19 in June and would be outstanding value..

 

[Game6Conley]

Still one of the more bizarre preseason commonalities in mocks was Maledon over Killian Hayes, pretty sure there's some good bump material buried here with me debunking that fully way ahead of these mock adjustments..

If you really look back on my comments on Hayes from get-go, many summers back, theyve been pretty much spot on.. Been consistently saying lotto pick possibly top5.

**** honestly this 2020 draft I've been very accurate on so far... So many players sit at the top of the board who I pointed out way in advance...

 

[SCS]

This is a crazy list... Was just saying to someone yesterday that Killian Hayes isnt projected top-5 anywhere but I wouldnt be surprised if he ends up that high, and there he is at #4 in this...

HOW ABOUT Kira Lewis Jr IN THE LOTTERY DOE?!?


Paul Reed at #16... Jalen Smith at #19... Jaden McDaniels all the way down at #28?!

To me the real biggest surprise on this list is Desmond Bane in the 1st rd... That is just something I'm gonna need to see to believe...

Lots of people have talked about Killian Hayes top 5. Some like Kevin O'Connor at TheRinger have even said he's the best prospect.

Jaden McDaniels at 28 doesn't surprise me either. I mean he sucked. Bad.

 

[Game6Conley]

Lots of people have talked about Killian Hayes top 5. Some like Kevin O'Connor at TheRinger have even said he's the best prospect.

Jaden McDaniels at 28 doesn't surprise me either. I mean he sucked. Bad.

All for Hayes going that high... Very cool. Always knew Left-handed players would take over the league.

If McDaniels sucked so bad, why are you unsurprised he's a projected 1st rd pick at-all?? I dont get it... I think "Sucked" is a low-brow explanation, he certainly had his moments. It seemed he was playing better as the season wore on too.


P.J. Carlesimo, to the Seattle Times on McDaniels;

“You know the funny thing is, and I don’t mean funny to make a joke, but only really good players can lead a league in (turnovers and fouls). You go take a look at the all-time leaders on those lists and it’s nothing but Hall of Famers. I say that to say, how good must Jaden be to where he’s giving you so much that it outweighs those things you don’t like? And the answer is, he’s really, really good. Now as a coach, you have to ask yourself: ‘What can I live with and how can we curb some of those erratic behaviors?’”

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Lots of people have talked about Killian Hayes top 5. Some like Kevin O'Connor at TheRinger have even said he's the best prospect.

Jaden McDaniels at 28 doesn't surprise me either. I mean he sucked. Bad.

I think if he played with Coach K at Duke he would have had a different outcome. I also think his game is better suited to the NBA than college. He was doing a lot of stupid 1-on-3 drives into traffic that had nowhere to go. At this stage, he needs to play off of screens and pin-downs to get some space. He's not a threat to drive all the way to the rim until he gets stronger. I still think he could be comparable to Brandon Ingram, but like Ingram, it's going to take a few years before he's ready physically.

He underperformed, but he wasn't as bad as, say, Skal Labissiere.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Also how about Deni Avdija @15?!?!?

How do y'all feel bout the Jazz trading up for him if he free-falls?

I don't think he will free fall. If he did, the Jazz would have to consider it, but they don't have much to trade up with. All they have is Tony Bradley and a couple extra 2nd-rd picks. I think they're keeping Royce to play or put in a bigger trade.

The Jazz can stay where they are and get Maldeon, Green, McDaniels, Reed, Bolmaro, etc.

I could see them trade up a few spots for Saddiq Bey or maybe Pokusevski. Like #24 and two 2nds for #19. Maybe someone wants Rayjon Tucker and that's worth a few draft slots.

Guys I'm guessing they really like -- Nesmith, Vassell, Williams, etc. -- are going to be too far out of range, imo.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

The Jazz need a player who looks like Jeff Green, but plays with toughness and competitive fire. They need to ask themselves seriously if they think they can fix Paul Reed's jump shot. If they can, they could have a player like Josh Smith, but without the stupid.

So either you draft McDaniels and bet you can improve his body and mental toughness, or you draft Reed and bet you can improve his jumper and unlock whatever ball skills he has. Either way, you get a 6'9" / 220-lb, two-way combo forward with a 7'+ wingspan.

Or... you try to trade up somehow and draft Patrick Williams.

 

[Jazz4ever]

The Jazz need a player who looks like Jeff Green, but plays with toughness and competitive fire. They need to ask themselves seriously if they think they can fix Paul Reed's jump shot. If they can, they could have a player like Josh Smith, but without the stupid.

So either you draft McDaniels and bet you can improve his body and mental toughness, or you draft Reed and bet you can improve his jumper and unlock whatever ball skills he has. Either way, you get a 6'9" / 220-lb, two-way combo forward with a 7'+ wingspan.

Or... you try to trade up somehow and draft Patrick Williams.

They say he's 6'10" now so could even backup Rudy at center.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

They say he's 6'10" now so could even backup Rudy at center.

He'd definitely give us some of the toughness and defense we lost when we traded Favors.

 

[Game6Conley]

Glad there's Paul Reed fans here... DePaul was one of the more entertaining teams in D1 this year IMO...


What do y'all think of his teammate 6'7" swingman Romeo Weems?

 

[Game6Conley]

They say he's 6'10" now so could even backup Rudy at center.

Not sure I believe that... But if you go back and look at his recruiting page Rivals lists him as a 6'5" 170lb SF... So obviously he's done quite a bit of growing.. I think he's 6'9"

 

[Miggs]

Paul Reed’s shot is fugly.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Paul Reed’s shot is fugly.

Draymond Green looks like he's wearing a heavy backpack when he shoots a jumper. Sometimes you take what you can get. But yeah, I don't know how he came up with that shooting form. It's not going to work from 3-pt distance.

 

[SCS]

I want the Jazz to draft Achiuwa or Reed. That's like the ideal realistic outcome imo. We need athleticism, length and defensive versatility at the backup 4 behind Bojan. We also need a small ball 5 to better matchup situationally against teams like the Rockets when Rudy rests.

I know the argument against would be their lack of shooting. But our offense has plenty of spacing now. We have plenty of shooters and different offensive lineups we can put on the floor. And it's not like Achiuwa and Reed show absolutely no potential to shoot. I think the possibility exists where they can get to the point where the defense can't completely leave them.

Right now between the two I think I'd go with Achiuwa. He has big time athleticism for his size. He can switch on to guards. He has that nasty edge in him that our team lacks sometimes. He's a dawg. Competitive. He has a nonstop motor. He hustles on the glass. Runs the floor hard. He possesses a mix of the things Favors and Crowder brought to the table that we miss.

But getting either would be a W.

 

[Miggs]

I think we should go full MLE with a legit stretch 4 who can hit the 3 and rebound and draft the best 1/2/3 we can. Could be a pure point. Could be a combo guard. Could be a 2/3.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I think we should go full MLE with a legit stretch 4 who can hit the 3 and rebound and draft the best 1/2/3 we can. Could be a pure point. Could be a combo guard. Could be a 2/3.

Which legit Stretch 4 do you have in mind in free agency? The Jazz do need a Trevor Ariza/Luol Deng-type at the 4, but I don't see who is available. Millsap is getting old. Aminu or Harkless could be available in a trade, but they're limited shooters. The Jazz might be able to get enough from Brantley or Juwan Morgan.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I want the Jazz to draft Achiuwa or Reed. That's like the ideal realistic outcome imo. We need athleticism, length and defensive versatility at the backup 4 behind Bojan. We also need a small ball 5 to better matchup situationally against teams like the Rockets when Rudy rests.

I know the argument against would be their lack of shooting. But our offense has plenty of spacing now. We have plenty of shooters and different offensive lineups we can put on the floor. And it's not like Achiuwa and Reed show absolutely no potential to shoot. I think the possibility exists where they can get to the point where the defense can't completely leave them.

Right now between the two I think I'd go with Achiuwa. He has big time athleticism for his size. He can switch on to guards. He has that nasty edge in him that our team lacks sometimes. He's a dawg. Competitive. He has a nonstop motor. He hustles on the glass. Runs the floor hard. He possesses a mix of the things Favors and Crowder brought to the table that we miss.

But getting either would be a W.

It's a question of which one the Jazz think they can teach how to shoot. In both cases, that's a risk. Achiuwa might be a Kenneth Faried / Montrez Harrell type.

If we're talking about just a backup energy big, we could chase Paul Eboua in the 2nd round.

 

[SCS]

It's a question of which one the Jazz think they can teach how to shoot. In both cases, that's a risk. Achiuwa might be a Kenneth Faried / Montrez Harrell type.

If we're talking about just a backup energy big, we could chase Paul Eboua in the 2nd round.

If you want a lesser prospect then yeah they could do that.

I don't think Achiuwa or Reed cap out as backup energy bigs either. They would play that role for us on the team we have right now. But they have the ceiling to be more.



Watch Achiuwa here. Love his hip flexibility and stance defending smaller players 1 v 1. We've been looking for someone who can guard bigger 3/4's so Royce doesn't have too and can take away the perimeter options instead. I think Precious has the strength/length/mobility that you can have him guard guys like LeBron/Kawhi. He is strong on the offensive glass. He shows potential as a roller. Two things we missed after Favors left. His grab and go ability and speed up and down the floor is tantalizing too. Quin wants to push more.

 

[Game6Conley]

What that guy said above. Also Precious was in a far from ideal situation to showcase his versatility this year with the Wiseman situation, also Memphis PG play was markedly worse than they were expecting coming into the year as well, which is something I think many will sweep under the rug and just talk about Wiseman..

 

[Game6Conley]

Years ago they used to compare Precious to Kawhi.. Not saying thats right, but Montrezl Harrell/Kenneth Faried are really not really apt comparisons..