Fox News tiring of Trump?

Rubashov

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I challenge you to answer this question truthfully.

If a homeless man breaks into your house sleeps in your bed, eats your food, and refuses to leave. Are you a bad person for having thrown in a cage by way of calling the police, and they end up throwing him in jail?
I actually read some nonsense like this in the guardian the other day where some social working trust fund nutcase was going on about the failures of prisons to rehabilitate and the barbaric nature of societies caging people. They shut the comment section down after five minutes and pre-moderated it, which I think is cowardly, ask any victim of an assault if they think people should be put in prison. I really don't understand what sort of imaginary world these people live in.
 

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https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/enforcement/301Investigations/301 Report Update.pdf
Abstract: "On August 14, 2017, the President instructed the U.S. Trade Representative to determine under Section 301 of the Trade Act of 19741 whether to investigate China’s laws, policies, practices, or actions that may be unreasonable or discriminatory and that may be harming American intellectual property rights, innovation, or technology development. " Trade war began in summer 2018 I believe.
and a quick google search https://www.dailyfx.com/forex/funda...ntellectual-Property-at-Heart-of-Dispute.html
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...us-and-china-remain-so-far-apart-intellectual questionable source, maybe
https://markets.businessinsider.com...e-war-major-sticking-points-2019-5-1028215587
So, no change to the actual situation of intellectual property theft? It's the equivalent of addressing addressing a burglary problem by tearing up the sidewalk.

Agreed criminal justice was a nice step. I'm an advocate for guns, lower taxes and less government intervention. In fact most government intervention I view as unethical, you can see why I would value deregulation and protection of guns. I believe my love of Trump was being questioned not my philosophy.
I don't question your love of Trump, just the notion that is has a rational basis. A couple of good things have happened these two years, but also a lot of bad things.

Washington will always be corrupt, government is easily corruptible. "Draining the swamp" is just a phrase to get votes, thats what politics is all about. I appreciate reduction of government powers.. Regulation, certainly, tangible tax cuts, progress on Obamacare, although 2016-18 was disappointing, etc. Basically laissez-faire is the dream. This response was exhausting, don't count on more thoughtful responses xD
Laissez-faire will be the dream until you actually live it, much like no restrictions on post content is the dream until people visit 4chan and Gab.

I do thank you for the time you invested. See you around.
 

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I challenge you to answer this question truthfully.

If a homeless man breaks into your house sleeps in your bed, eats your food, and refuses to leave. Are you a bad person for having thrown in a cage by way of calling the police, and they end up throwing him in jail?
Did he also repair my roof, fix my plumbing, edge my lawn, dust my shelves, and clean my windows? I might work out a place for them to stay.
 

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But its not failed logic. Its a perfectly reasonable analogy.

Only so many tax payers pay for things like school and police. If people come and take a share of that without contributing it is practically stealing from the people who have contributed to the pool of services.
Illegal immigrants pay taxes. Whether they rent or own, they pay property taxes (where most school and police funding originate), and when they buy, they pay sales taxes (most of the rest).

I get that these people turn into good workers and they eventually do contribute to the economy and its a good thing. But there still has to be order to be sure that happens. If there isnt a controlled flow of people and the system is overwhelmed before it adapts then the people who should have first rights to the goods get screwed over to some degree. Its no ones job to take care of somebody else. Also these people need to be documented to make sure they do contribute to pool of services, and not just take from them.

This isnt inhumane to ask this of people. Its perfectly reasonable and decent.
Spoken like a representative of the Democratic party.

But nutcase bleeding heart liberals have zero concept of logic. So it turns into this **** show because they encourage these people to do this and not just do it the respectful way.
Then you go contradicting yourself.
 

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, ask any victim of an assault if they think people should be put in prison. I really don't understand what sort of imaginary world these people live in.
I have a visible dent in my forehead from when I was hit by a crowbar during a mugging. Go on, ask me what I think.
 

silesian

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I challenge you to answer this question truthfully.

If a homeless man breaks into your house sleeps in your bed, eats your food, and refuses to leave. Are you a bad person for having thrown in a cage by way of calling the police, and they end up throwing him in jail?
Well, in this case the man is hired by someone living in the house. And he is supporting a business run in that house that would not exist except for his cheap labor. And he is eating the food that he paid for. And he is sleeping in a bed that he paid for.

So I will answer by saying “your question is idiotic”.
 

silesian

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I challenge you to answer this question truthfully.

If a homeless man breaks into your house sleeps in your bed, eats your food, and refuses to leave. Are you a bad person for having thrown in a cage by way of calling the police, and they end up throwing him in jail?
Why do you never blame the illegal Americans who hire the illegal aliens? If you convince me it is some other reason besides skin color I’ll agree that you are not a bigot, so give it a try.
 

silesian

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I actually read some nonsense like this in the guardian the other day where some social working trust fund nutcase was going on about the failures of prisons to rehabilitate and the barbaric nature of societies caging people. They shut the comment section down after five minutes and pre-moderated it, which I think is cowardly, ask any victim of an assault if they think people should be put in prison. I really don't understand what sort of imaginary world these people live in.
You do know that children applying for asylum have not committed a crime and are in cages, right? And you do know that they are HUMAN children, right?
 
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So, no change to the actual situation of intellectual property theft? It's the equivalent of addressing addressing a burglary problem by tearing up the sidewalk.



I don't question your love of Trump, just the notion that is has a rational basis. A couple of good things have happened these two years, but also a lot of bad things.



Laissez-faire will be the dream until you actually live it, much like no restrictions on post content is the dream until people visit 4chan and Gab.

I do thank you for the time you invested. See you around.
Yeah no solid progress yet but I’m glad that it’s in the conversation now. I think we can both agree that that is good, and who knows maybe something will come out of it. That’s the point I was trying to make.

As for Laissez-faire, there are downsides but there are enormous upsides. Voltaire, JS Mill—from a utilitarian perspective—have some interesting reads.
 
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Rubashov

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You do know that children applying for asylum have not committed a crime and are in cages, right? And you do know that they are HUMAN children, right?
The guardian article was in relation to people convicted of crimes within our society, ie criminals. My country has been imprisoning asylum seekers for nearly 20 years, I think its disgusting.
 

silesian

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In all seriousness, there is a lot of good going on in our country. If it were so bad as most of you like to portray, then people would not be lined up......
And to think how totally screwed up it was just before your dear leader was elected.
 

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Ho

Yeah no solid progress yet but I’m glad that it’s in the conversation now. I think we can both agree that that is good, and who knows maybe something will come out of it. That’s the point I was trying to make.
Fair enough. Clinton, Bush, and Obama all complained about Chinese intellectual property theft as well.I don'tsee tariffs making a difference, but Trump has done no worse on the front of intellectual property theft than any other.

As for Laissez-faire, there are downsides but there are enormous upsides. Voltaire, JS Mill—from a utilitarian perspective—have some interesting reads.
If we improve human nature considerably, laissez-faire could work. I'm not holding my breath.
 

Dr. Jones

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Just saying.. get involved with local politics where YOU CAN make a difference. And it's easy... make a change locally, then regionally, and so on.
 

Hotdog

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Why do you never blame the illegal Americans who hire the illegal aliens? If you convince me it is some other reason besides skin color I’ll agree that you are not a bigot, so give it a try.
What? I cant make out what you are saying about illegal Americans. And what does skin color have to do with anything?
 

Hotdog

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Well, in this case the man is hired by someone living in the house. And he is supporting a business run in that house that would not exist except for his cheap labor. And he is eating the food that he paid for. And he is sleeping in a bed that he paid for.

So I will answer by saying “your question is idiotic”.
You didnt answer the question. You just made up completely different analogy that isnt related one bit.

The question was pretty simple. It needed a yes or no answer. You would only need to use about 3rd grade reading comprehension skills to understand what was asked. Tell me you are smarter than that.
 
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