Gail Miller rewards Jazz executives that do a bad job. Your input.

Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by Lakers_Slapper, May 11, 2019.

  1. Lakers_Slapper

    Lakers_Slapper Well-Known Member

    Jul 15, 2010
    We'll it's happened again. Dennis Lindsey (previous GM of the Jazz) has been promoted for doing a horrible Job. (Again? you ask?) Yes. KOC, was notorious for making terrible decisions as our previous GM and was promoted on August 6th 2012, and we brought Dennis Lindsey in as our new GM.
    Ok, so the first thing that everybody will argue is that Dennis Lindsey drafted Donovan Mitchell as well as put together the trade with Denver that brought Rudy Gobert to the Jazz back in 2013.
    He also made many foolish mistakes. Not trading for Hayward when it was obvious that he was leaving the Jazz and going to sign with the Celtics. Trading Kanter for absolute peanuts. Trading Alec Burks and two 2nd round picks for a 38 year old Kyle Korver who is retired bound.
    Trading Rodney Hood (Jazz 2nd leading scorer) and Joe Johnson for Crowder and Derrick Rose (who we cut immediately). We continue to trade to get older and deal all of our young homegrown assets for nothing. We watched all of our competition make moves in last years off season only to do nothing.
    But yet we promote DL and put him in control of even more power and responsibility. It's like the Jazz celebrate failure.

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  2. Douchebag K

    Douchebag K Well-Known Member

    Nov 12, 2014
    My input is that you are a dumbarse **********
  3. TheStormofWar

    TheStormofWar Well-Known Member

    Jun 24, 2010
    Right, let's take this one by one.

    Hayward: You can't trade an Free Agent.
    Kanter: The Jazz got a first out of it. That's about all you are going to get for a disgruntled player. That pick turned into Rubio, who we were all high on at the time.
    Burks: The Jazz got a shooter in Korver who was supposed to help address shooting deficiencies at the time. Beyond that, his contract next year is only guaranteed for 3.4m, so if he retires this summer, the Jazz aren't hamstrung.
    Hood and Johnson: The Jazz weren't resigning Hood and Johnson wanted elsewhere. The deal netted a player we wanted (including the fans) at the time and happens to like Utah. Forgive me for being cynical on your assessment of the situation.

    The Jazz ran it back last off-season because they wanted to see what they could do with what they had. The roster ripped off a hell of an impressive an impressive streak once Gobert got back and Rubio showed some semblance of an outside shot. Even then, the team improved a bit this year in terms of win total, despite the fact Ricky laying enough bricks to do Habitat for Humanity proud. But we can retool the team pretty easily, so meh.

    I see his only failure as Exum, and by comparison to other deals and team situations, it's not atrocious. So where you get this idea of "legacy of failure" I have no idea. I do want some of what you're smoking though.
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  4. Thee jazz fan

    Thee jazz fan Well-Known Member

    Dec 27, 2010
    Go be a lakers fan if you think jazz management is bad!! Then call me in the morning.
  5. Wes Mantooth

    Wes Mantooth Well-Known Member

    Jul 14, 2015
    The Dubs are dumb as **** for not trading Durant since they know he’s leaving.
  6. New_Jazz_Order

    New_Jazz_Order Well-Known Member

    Feb 22, 2018
    RightHand_Slapper at it again.
  7. gomretat

    gomretat Well-Known Member

    Jun 15, 2010
    DL has done a good job. He has had misses, just as every single GM in the league does, and some huge hits. Betting on Hayward to stay had risk but it was the risk to take. And you don't keep players who are asking to leave. This front office move is simply a shift in titles to retain Zanik. That is the right thing to do and the right way to spend some coin.
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  8. Utesnjazz

    Utesnjazz Well-Known Member

    Nov 12, 2015
    I get the frustration. I wouldn’t say he did a terrible job, but he didn't deserve a promotion. He has just been way to conservative.
  9. JazzyFresh

    JazzyFresh Well-Known Member

    Feb 19, 2015
    I've always been high on him but last off season and him doing absolutely nothing has made me change that tune by quite a bit. I know I'm not the most well known poster but that is the reason I have been a negative Nancy all year when usually I'm one of the positive ones.

    Staying put was a terrible decision and then offering a guy like Dante, who hardly plays, a hefty contract is just flat out terrible decision making. I know I'm just an armchair GM but I could see this season going the way it did from the beginning and think us losing in the first round would've happened no matter what. It begs the question of how serious Gail is about winning a championship. It seems to me they are fine as long as we make the playoffs.

    We'll see this off-season though. Gobert only has 2 years left and I think something needs to be done to show him we're serious. If we just piddle paddle around again it'll show how serious this FO is.
  10. David Ginola 14

    David Ginola 14 Well-Known Member

    Jun 19, 2010
    I agree..

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

    May 26, 2010
    That is definitely revisionist history.
  12. firegirl

    firegirl Well-Known Member

    Mar 3, 2017
    I second this.

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  13. UtahJazz32

    UtahJazz32 Well-Known Member

    Feb 10, 2011

    I agree 100%
    Again you have a foolish comment for facts. Are you 5 or something?

    Ok so have you forgotten the Conley deal and not throwing in the bust poster child ?

    Letting Niko go to another team for nearly nothing?

    How about him not trying for Jabari?

    Better yet not trying to grab Otto ?

    Selling us excuses, guys nobody wanted to come here in free agency? No great trades were available? I'm too conservative, I suck in drafts I got lucky with Donovan but I re-signed a bust. I paid too much for a senior citizen who will retire this year.

    He was a crappy GM. Just face it. Sadly I hope this new gm helps us evolve to take the next step since DL and KOC were a joke. Gail doesn't seem to know what's going on, if Larry was here (God rest his soul) things would be way different.
  14. UtahJazz32

    UtahJazz32 Well-Known Member

    Feb 10, 2011
    I disagree with this. How has the team improved ? How have we progressed? Were changes made? No, none that's why he was a horrible gm. Oh yeah we extended and threw money at a bust. So yeah.
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  15. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

    Dec 13, 2011
    You might want to let the league and other GMs specifically know that DL sucks. Jazz are voted top 10 FO regularly. Heavy emphasis on DL in their praise.

    But sure, Armchair GM Lakers slapped knows better
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  16. UtahJazz32

    UtahJazz32 Well-Known Member

    Feb 10, 2011
    Great so How many Western conference have we got to since DWill and Booze ? Yeah last year was huge but not doing anything this year cost us dearly. Not doing anything to help at the trade deadline sealed it. Getting Korver barely did much in the post season.

    Besides a lucky trade to get Mitchell, what has he done? Yes Quin was his doing but I think our coach deserves more credit than DL, he works with what we have and DL doesn't give him much. See the miss trades at the deadline.
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  17. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

    Dec 13, 2011
    I agree that running it back was a mistake. Agreed.

    Go argue the leagues view of the Jazz FO with them.

    My point is that the people in the know say different than what we see here.

    Most of our opinions are based off rumors. Like Exum holding up the Conley trade. We don’t know that’s the case. It’s just rumor.

    But I’m on record saying that DL has to hit it big now or we need to find someone who will.
    Maybe Zanik is that guy. We will see
  18. UtahJazz32

    UtahJazz32 Well-Known Member

    Feb 10, 2011
    The leagues views on our fo is based on consistency. We have been for the most part. But we haven't did enough to get us to the next level. We seem content on just making the playoffs. Yes we are in a stacked up Western conference but that's no excuse. Remember Gobert and Mitchell are closely watching our moves do we want them to leave ? Every pick, every signing and every trade moving forward is so valuable. We waisted a year. How far did the team slogan get us? That team will get dismantled.

    I have followed the jazz for over 30 years man, being Canadian and in Toronto I see what the raptors have done to take it to the next level. It's not fair too compare but they have the same struggles as we do but still imho they do more to be competitive.

    The strength of the team is the team will be modified we need changes desperately to take us to the next level. In my opinion DL was wasting us away, hopefully this new GM can help us evolve.
  19. Wes Mantooth

    Wes Mantooth Well-Known Member

    Jul 14, 2015
    I’d give Lindsey a C+. I think finding talent in free agency in Utah is far harder than most of us imagine. So far as trades, it seems as if some have been on the table but he’s not pulled the trigger. I’m not sure if those times (Conley) were the right move or not. Often I think we should’ve traded for him and at other points I believe he made the prudent move by not trading for a 31 year old. My biggest gripes would probably be his weak draft classes and trading of 2nd round picks. We could’ve done better in that regard more consistently. Oh yeah, and the signing of Exum to that dollar amount/years is a little frustrating.
  20. gregbroncs

    gregbroncs Well-Known Member

    May 26, 2010
    So your entire hate stems from moves that didn't happen. You do realize that there have to be 2 parties or more interested? Most of those moves that didn't happen that you named wouldn't have helped. Jabari? No thanks. Otto Porter is seriously overpaid now. Conley? I wish it had happened but at the time agreed with him be too expensive, and they were not winning a title this year with him anyway. Niko? Most over rated player on this board, he's okay but not the savior some seem to think.

    If nothing happens this off season I'll be pissed, but I'm okay with the stuff that has happened so far.

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