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silesian said:
I’m not defending the writing, I’m discussing your critique.

If you think they attacked kings landing with fewer than 100 survivors we are watching a different tv show.

Did you assume that the funeral scene showed all the survivors? That might be your mistake.

There were ~100,000 Dothraki That dwindled down to a few hundred in the Dany speech.

There were ~8000 unsullied down to be maybe a thousand.
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I think his point is that they did a poor job of depicting how many survivors there were after the battle at winterfell. They showed all the Dothraki charge the undead and very few return. Now, it could be that they intended for many more of the Dothraki to survive that charge, but they didn't do a good job of communicating that to the viewers. The same is true of the Unsullied, by the end of that episode you got the sense that the armies were almost completely wiped out, they completely lost the walls and there were no scenes of thousands or even hundreds of men waiting in retreat.

Cut to a few episodes later and there they all are! Enough to man a fleet of warships and an army to march south.

My first suspicion was that the reason for this was that the episodes were directed by different people, but Miguel Sapochnik directed them both. So there's really no excuse for it.
 
Zombie said:
I think his point is that they did a poor job of depicting how many survivors there were after the battle at winterfell. They showed all the Dothraki charge the undead and very few return. Now, it could be that they intended for many more of the Dothraki to survive that charge, but they didn't do a good job of communicating that to the viewers. The same is true of the Unsullied, by the end of that episode you got the sense that the armies were almost completely wiped out, they completely lost the walls and there were no scenes of thousands or even hundreds of men waiting in retreat.

Cut to a few episodes later and there they all are! Enough to man a fleet of warships and an army to march south.

My first suspicion was that the reason for this was that the episodes were directed by different people, but Miguel Sapochnik directed them both. So there's really no excuse for it.
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I agree it was surprising. I don’t think that surprises are bad. Nor are they evidence that the writers are idiots.
 
silesian said:
Nope. You need to go back and watch the scene. She is 100% complicit. When she translates Diogo she knows what he is about to do. And she is neither timid nor scared. It is even clearer in the book.
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I agree she is not meek nor timid. She is also not complicit. She has no authority nor power to prevent Viserys's death. There's a different between not being mournful and being complicit.
 
Zombie said:
My first suspicion was that the reason for this was that the episodes were directed by different people, but Miguel Sapochnik directed them both. So there's really no excuse for it.
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I agree the directing was poor, but in Episode 4 it's explicitly stated that about half each the Dothraki and Unsullied were lost, leaving ~20,000 Dothraki, ~4,000 Unsullied, and who knows how many northmen?
 
One Brow said:
I agree the directing was poor, but in Episode 4 it's explicitly stated that about half each the Dothraki and Unsullied were lost, leaving ~20,000 Dothraki, ~4,000 Unsullied, and who knows how many northmen?
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I probably missed that line because I was too busy rolling my eyes at some other nonsense that was happening haha

I mean fair enough I guess, but the idea that fully half of the Dothraki survived that cavalry charge when it is communicated visually to the viewer that they nearly all died is really ****** storytelling.
 
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Zombie said:
I probably missed that line because I was too busy rolling my eyes at some other nonsense that was happening haha
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They are at the war table, removing markers from the map. Your eye muscles must have gotten plenty of work this season.
 
Zombie said:
I think his point is that they did a poor job of depicting how many survivors there were after the battle at winterfell. They showed all the Dothraki charge the undead and very few return. Now, it could be that they intended for many more of the Dothraki to survive that charge, but they didn't do a good job of communicating that to the viewers. The same is true of the Unsullied, by the end of that episode you got the sense that the armies were almost completely wiped out, they completely lost the walls and there were no scenes of thousands or even hundreds of men waiting in retreat.

Cut to a few episodes later and there they all are! Enough to man a fleet of warships and an army to march south.

My first suspicion was that the reason for this was that the episodes were directed by different people, but Miguel Sapochnik directed them both. So there's really no excuse for it.
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This. They intentionally present it as if they were out through the meat grinder.

And the. Lawl, kidding. Here’s everyone.

And that leads me into even more critique of the let down of the Army of the Dead. They didn’t even need the forces of the anyone outside of their own men. No Lannister’s, Vale knights, river lands, storm lands.... For such a big threat they fell rather easily.
 
The worst thing about the battle of winterfell was that if there were 20k+ dothraki and unsullied where the hell were they? Not even half way through the place was depicted as a wasteland with the entire Castle overrun by the dead and only our headlining heroes there to help anyone. Again, crappy writing.

This season had so much crappy writing I wonder how many rolls of toilet paper the script was written on.
 
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