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Hekate said:
Spoilers are from a dance with dragons

I just finished the books and

I am sad that Quentyn Martell died. I don't think I have bonded with a character but I liked Quent and I really didn't want him to die so tragically.
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Maybe I'm heartless but I hated Quentyn. I'm glad he's dead and happier that he won't be in the show at all. Quentyn is the perfect example of George's Wheel of Time syndrome.
 
fallenchicken said:
I love the show and the books. But in some ways, I feel like the show has followed the books to closely. The show has always been under a lot of pressure to service the big moments (and the small) from the book. The second season was built around blackwater, the third around the red wedding, etc. While uniformly great, the show has had a tendency to drag in the middle of its seasons. It's probably been too loyal to the books. But in this season they are more liberally adapting books 4 and 5--plot lines are being changed/cut/added, characters' storylines are changing or accelerating (I could go into details, most of which are common knowledge, but they might be spoilers for some).

Also, for me, there's an excitement with the unknown. I read all the books before season one premiered and I've basically always been able to predict what was going to happen and when... which has been fun because I love the source material and enjoy seeing it serviced. But this season I honestly have no idea what's going on with some characters. And there's likely going to be material that is either original to the show's universe, or from Winds. Depending on whether you want the books spoiled or not, this is exciting. For me it is. I've been waiting long enough to find out what happens next. And the show is finally going to tell me.
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I totally agree. I don't necessarily see the show splitting with the books as a bad thing. The showrunners have done a great job so far, and some of the very best scenes were never in the books at all (the scene between Robert and Cersei in episode five of season one is still a personal favorite of mine, for instance). Now that it's officially confirmed that the show will outpace Martin's writing (not that there was ever much doubt that would happen), the showrunners are free to do as they please without having to conform to an already-existing story. I'd wager that this will the shot in the arm that the show needed.
 
Gameface said:
I feel like GRRM is losing his touch. I think he isn't seeing the forest for the trees at this point and is trying too hard to develop this elaborate universe and weave characters together instead of telling the damn story. I'm kind of sceptical about what we're gonna get in book six and I'm very sceptical about the climax that really ought to be one of the best climaxes of any story I'm familiar with. And I wonder if GRRM will even be the one to write it.

Hell, I think he's even mentioned the possibility that he won't be able to wrap it all up by book seven and might need another book or two.

Hey GRRM, stop trying to put so much in there and move the ****ing plot already!
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Incidentally, this is exactly what happened with Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time. They started going downhill after book five or so, just getting slower and slower until they were just a huge snooze. And then he died before he could finish. Brandon Sanderson had to ghostwrite the last books. And again, I haven't read them, but friends who have tell me that Sanderson's books were way better than Jordan's recent plodding ones.

Anyway, this is really starting to seem like deja vu. The only real difference between the two situations is that Martin is a better writer than Jordan ever was.

EDIT: Gah, I made this post and then realized that fallenchicken had said much the same thing already. :-P
 
AtheistPreacher said:
Incidentally, this is exactly what happened with Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time. They started going downhill after book five or so, just getting slower and slower until they were just a huge snooze. And then he died before he could finish. Brandon Sanderson had to ghostwrite the last books. And again, I haven't read them, but friends who have tell me that Sanderson's books were way better than Jordan's recent plodding ones.

Anyway, this is really starting to seem like deja vu. The only real difference between the two situations is that Martin is a better writer than Jordan ever was.

EDIT: Gah, I made this post and then realized that fallenchicken had said much the same thing already. :-P
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I actually love this series. Sanderson used detailed notes, and in some cases whole pages, that Jordan had already written.

I am actually re reading the series now for the third time. On book 3. I find books 8-10 to be slow but I love the scale and epic feel from the series.
 
Maybe 50 pages in to book 4 now and I can already see what others have meant. It feels different from the first 3. The scenes are choppier, the writing is more dense, the dialogue far more wooden than the first 3 books. And he isn't getting as much out of his description as he was before. It really seems like he is distracted. I'm liking it alright but there is a marked difference.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Maybe 50 pages in to book 4 now and I can already see what others have meant. It feels different from the first 3. The scenes are choppier, the writing is more dense, the dialogue far more wooden than the first 3 books. And he isn't getting as much out of his description as he was before. It really seems like he is distracted. I'm liking it alright but there is a marked difference.
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I kind of want to read the books over again. I know books 4 and 5 weren't as fun to read but they do have some good things going on in them and some interesting set-ups for what might be coming.

I also like the way GRRM paints the post war Westeros, especially visiting a few of the same places from before the war, during the war and after the war. And all that as it is clear that "winter is coming" and they've destroyed much of what they would normally be saving to get through it.

My recollection of what's in book four vs five is pretty hazy, and I'm not sure it matters much as the timelines are parallel.

I was just really looking forward to getting my hands on book six and in late 2014 it was soundling like we'd be getting book six this year and now there's NO chance that's going to happen. Pretty disappointing.
 
is subscribing to HBO the only way to watch season 5? someone told me you can buy them on itunes but I remember looking when season 4 was going and not being able to find them.
 
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