What's new
By:

Gay Nightclub mass shooting -- Orlando, Florida

  • Thread starter Thread starter Deleted member 848
  • Start date Start date
♪alt13 said:
They are being challenged and fought, by other muslims. We should support those efforts but we should not go further than that. The US cannot hope to win a Muslim civil war. Isis is losing. They are being defeated by other Muslims, the Shiite Iraqi's in the southeast, the Kurds in the Northeast, and the Sunni Arab SDF from the northwest. When they accomplish the destruction of ISIS, which they will, it will be a Muslim victory a Muslim repudiation of what Isis stands for. We could go in there and topple Raqqah in the time it took us to drive there but we will not have defeated Isis.

In the mean time we really don't need to panic about Muslims or Isis. You're still much more likely to be killed by a family member than a radical islamist. We're all actually pretty damn safe.
Click to expand...

Relatively safe. Why would any American argue for such a notion just cause other places in the world are crap pots? I want safety everywhere including at home first and foremost.
 
Boris said:
Relatively safe. Why would any American argue for such a notion just cause other places in the world are crap pots? I want safety everywhere including at home first and foremost.
Click to expand...

Then sell your car and keep a close eye on your brother in law. You'll be crazy safe.
 
Boris said:
Thank you so much for this. My question is why does Curan grant virgins apparently to be sexual icons only to worthy males? Women do not matter? Do they get 72 virgin men as well? This seems so demeaning to women and was one of the reasons I became atheist.
Click to expand...
Here is how it is written iirc; "and there is a place for the believers in Heaven in which they live for eternal happiness on comfy couches with their life mates and there is everthing they demand to them and a 'selam' (a holy greeting) from their Lord"

Not the exact words but same meaning.
 
♪alt13 said:
They are being challenged and fought, by other muslims. We should support those efforts but we should not go further than that. The US cannot hope to win a Muslim civil war. Isis is losing. They are being defeated by other Muslims, the Shiite Iraqi's in the southeast, the Kurds in the Northeast, and the Sunni Arab SDF from the northwest. When they accomplish the destruction of ISIS, which they will, it will be a Muslim victory a Muslim repudiation of what Isis stands for. We could go in there and topple Raqqah in the time it took us to drive there but we will not have defeated Isis.

In the mean time we really don't need to panic about Muslims or Isis. You're still much more likely to be killed by a family member than a radical islamist. We're all actually pretty damn safe.
Click to expand...

I generally agree with the bolded part but the situation is very muddled with most of those groups fighting ISIS(as in you, assume that most of those groups have much different views than ISIS, when the difference is probably much more marginal. In general I have the greatest trust in the Kurds, because they seem most sold on establishing a secular democracy of sorts and they've been neglected by the international community for ages without ever getting their own state). The US has been supporting different rebel groups for decades against its enemies in the Middle East, only to witness them turn against the west later on or to turn into genocidal maniacs against their own people when they take control in their respective territories. That's why I think fighting the ideology is as important as physical resistance. And for that we need to support more Muslim reformers, who are currently being threatened and killed on the streets in multiple countries(not even talking about ISIS here).

About your last paragraph - I'm not too worried about my or the world's safety at the moment, but I can see long-term problems persisting if the ideology of Islamism is not defeated and marginalized among Muslim majority communities world wide - because today you are going to defeat ISIS, like you defeated Al Qaeda yesterday, but then some other group espousing the same ideas would spring up tomorrow and cause possibly even more harm.
 
addictionary said:
Here is how it is written iirc; "and there is a place for the believers in Heaven in which they live for eternal happiness on comfy couches with their life mates and there is everthing they demand to them and a 'selam' (a holy greeting) from their Lord"

Not the exact words but same meaning.
Click to expand...

It says 72 virgins with round or plump breasts based on the interpretation. For women it says "This number is only for men. A woman will have only one husband in Paradise, and she will be satisfied with him and will not need any more than that. The Muslim woman – who is not influenced by the claims of those who propagate permissiveness and knows that she is not like men in her make-up and nature, because Allaah has made her like that – does not object to the rulings of Allaah or feel angry. Rather she accepts what Allaah has decreed for her. Her sound nature tells her that she cannot live with more than one man at a time. So long as she has entered Paradise, she will have all that she desires, so she should not dispute now about the delights and rewards that her Lord has chosen for her, for your Lord does not treat anyone unjustly.", Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Jibreen, "The female martyr and the male martyr’s reward of seventy-two"

This is where male Islam jihad derived from.
 
Boris said:
It says 72 virgins with round or plump breasts based on the interpretation. For women it says "This number is only for men. A woman will have only one husband in Paradise, and she will be satisfied with him and will not need any more than that. The Muslim woman – who is not influenced by the claims of those who propagate permissiveness and knows that she is not like men in her make-up and nature, because Allaah has made her like that – does not object to the rulings of Allaah or feel angry. Rather she accepts what Allaah has decreed for her. Her sound nature tells her that she cannot live with more than one man at a time. So long as she has entered Paradise, she will have all that she desires, so she should not dispute now about the delights and rewards that her Lord has chosen for her, for your Lord does not treat anyone unjustly.", Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Jibreen, "The female martyr and the male martyr’s reward of seventy-two"

This is where male Islam jihad derived from.
Click to expand...
Holy books need to be read more rationally and the translation is important. According to Christoph Luxenberg's the Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Qoran (have not read it just a quote), the term virgin is falsely translated and it actually means the types of fresh fruits and adibles in Heaven. But also the so called 72 virgin deal is from a hadith which is basically scholars saying stuff and generations of time passing and them becoming God knows what.
 
addictionary said:
Holy books need to be read more rationally and the translation is important. According to Christoph Luxenberg's the Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Qoran (have not read it just a quote), the term virgin is falsely translated and it actually means the types of fresh fruits and adibles in Heaven. But also the so called 72 virgin deal is from a hadith which is basically scholars saying stuff and generations of time passing and them becoming God knows what.
Click to expand...

Interesting that you bring up a scholar who claims the Q'uran was written 150 years after Mohammed death just like how the Bible was composed 150 years later. Maybe there is an spiritual value to 1 5 o
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page
Back
Top