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franklin said:
I don't see how the rate of AIDS in gay men vs. straight men has anything to do with the discussion.
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Agreed.

franklin said:
This is how I see America's current state of thinking:

We need to pass seatbelt laws because drivers and passengers more severely hurt in automobile accidents cause a greater burden on all of us financially because of our insurance underwriting practices. Thus, it stands to reason that we need to pass anti-homosexuality laws because their greater rates of AIDS burdens all o us financially because of our insurance underwriting practices.

This society screws itself, then complains about it.
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Assuming you were serious (and I may have misread that), driving is a privledge, sexual intercourse is a right. Different legal standards apply.

C l u t c H 385 said:
Who the **** said gays cause AIDS?
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I may have misunderstood colton's argument, but it read to me that being gay was a cause of getting AIDS.

Beantown said:
If homosexuality was a naturally occuring biological process then it would show physically in their anatomy.
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It does show up in their anatomy.
 
bordelais7 said:
Sweet, another homosexuality thread! I'm betting THIS time we'll come to an agreement.
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LOL. Seriously. And they usually follow the general format:

LDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONS! LDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONS SARCASTIC COMMENT ABOUT BEANTOWN.... LDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONS... SARCASTIC COMMENT ABOUT BEANTOWN... LDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONSLDS CHURCH SUCKS. HATE MORMONS

What's sad is that it was originally made to discuss the church's General Conference. Then of course Katie comes out of the woodwork to hijack the thread with her rantings about how the LDS church is responsible for sin, tsunamis, and Kobe's championship rings.
 
One Brow said:
...sexual intercourse is a right.
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That is something I've never heard before. Since when?

I may have misunderstood colton's argument, but it read to me that being gay was a cause of getting AIDS.
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Not quite. I was pointing out that homosexual activity (of the sexual variety, not just holding hands) is high risk behavior. That was in response to your claim that (if I understood you correctly) that there were no negative consequences of homosexual behavior as opposed to heterosexual behavior.
 
I also liked the talk by Elder Patrick Kearon, yes about the shoes and the scorpion. To me it was more about us giving our full heart to the Lord, and not being lukewarm, or sitting on the fence.

I liked the talk by David McConkie about Teaching. I especially liked the part about the teacher's attitude being caught, not taught.

I liked the talk by Elder Scott about Faith and Character. I thought it was fitting, in that when most people sin, and deep down they did not want to do that thing.... it comes down to a weakness in character.

Thats my take, I think it was a great conference and anyone who wants to be a better person can find something in there to help.
 
colton said:
That is something I've never heard before. Since when?
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It was probably an imprecise statement, but that's basically the ideas behind Griswold vs. Conneticut and Lawrence vs. Texas, from my amatuer understanding.

colton said:
Not quite. I was pointing out that homosexual activity (of the sexual variety, not just holding hands) is high risk behavior. That was in response to your claim that (if I understood you correctly) that there were no negative consequences of homosexual behavior as opposed to heterosexual behavior.
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To which, I made an attempt to distinguish between young men engaging in risky behaviors (and having a greater opportunity to do so with each other than they often do with young women), and that he activity is homosexual in nature. After all, by the same reasoning used to make your statement, homosexual behavior is the least-risky sexual behavior. Lesbian STD rates are far below the rates of straight women.
 
bordelais7 said:
Sweet, another homosexuality thread! I'm betting THIS time we'll come to an agreement.
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It's a shame the only reason to participate in these exchanges is to have everyone come to an agreement.

Bronco70 said:
I don't remember this talk.
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It's a good say when you learn something new. Not that learning through an exchange of ideas is a valid reason to participate in a thread about hoosexuality, unless we come to an agreement.
 
One Brow said:
It was probably an imprecise statement, but that's basically the ideas behind Griswold vs. Conneticut and Lawrence vs. Texas, from my amatuer understanding.
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I wouldn't call your statement imprecise... Here are some quotes from Lawrence v. Texas:

The question before the Court is the validity of a Texas statute making it a crime for two persons of the same sex to engage in certain intimate sexual conduct....

The complaints described their crime as “deviate sexual intercourse, namely anal sex, with a member of the same sex (man).”...

We conclude the case should be resolved by determining whether the petitioners were free as adults to engage in the private conduct in the exercise of their liberty under the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution....

The present case does not involve minors. It does not involve persons who might be injured or coerced or who are situated in relationships where consent might not easily be refused. It does not involve public conduct or prostitution. It does not involve whether the government must give formal recognition to any relationship that homosexual persons seek to enter. The case does involve two adults who, with full and mutual consent from each other, engaged in sexual practices common to a homosexual lifestyle. The petitioners are entitled to respect for their private lives. The State cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime. Their right to liberty under the Due Process Clause gives them the full right to engage in their conduct without intervention of the government. “It is a promise of the Constitution that there is a realm of personal liberty which the government may not enter.”...

Had those who drew and ratified the Due Process Clauses of the Fifth Amendment or the Fourteenth Amendment known the components of liberty in its manifold possibilities, they might have been more specific. They did not presume to have this insight. They knew times can blind us to certain truths and later generations can see that laws once thought necessary and proper in fact serve only to oppress. As the Constitution endures, persons in every generation can invoke its principles in their own search for greater freedom.
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https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/02-102.ZO.html
 
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