You're right, it doesn't have a bearing on the discussion. I meant that your judgement seems clouded and lacking in a biased fashion. I'm sorry for the cheeky part of that post.
And I did address what you said.
General Conference - Fall 2010
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You're right, it doesn't have a bearing on the discussion. I meant that your judgement seems clouded and lacking in a biased fashion. I'm sorry for the cheeky part of that post.
And I did address what you said.
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KatieMCR
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Hnm I wonder why they did that? I'm glad ABC 4 has requested a statement on why it was changed. I can't wait to hear their reasoning.
Archie Moses
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Isn't that what you want? More than likely something was changed so it wasn't so offensive to the gay and scientific community. To me, it's showing that the church does care and does want to learn and educate themselves while still maintaining their stance. It boggles my mind that people ask the LDS church to change what they said, they do, then people ask "why" did you change instead of something like, props for making yourself aware of something that was found offensive. Thanks!
KatieMCR
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To me it looks like they are trying to hide something. If they are publishing it as a transcript of the talk, then it should be verbatim. If they want to change something, or say they don't agree with it, they should issue as separate retraction/statement.
G-O-A-T
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I find it ironic that you give "props" to the church for educating itself and altering their statements, but when Katie did so, you continued to bash her for her original message of hate mongering...
Part of the problem is understanding (or the lack thereof) why the church doesn't approve of gay marriage.
Is it because they hate gay people, and want them to suffer for their "choices"? That's a popular one, and it gives everyone who has an ax to grind a nice foothold, but I don't believe that it's the core of the issue. The church has stated that they don't oppose civil unions (or domestic partnerships) with all the same rights as a marriage. So why are they so hung up over a word?
IMO, it has less to do with the marriage itself, and more with the definitions of elements of LDS doctrine. Allow me to explain:
A major doctrinal cog is the Law of Chastity. This specifies that each person is to have no sexual relations outside the bounds of a legal and lawful marriage. They don't even have to be married within the church. Just legally recognized. Say you're homosexual and LDS (it happens). You and your partner get married, live every other facet of the mormon lifestyle, and go in and request a temple recommend from your bishop.
Here's the tricky part: At the letter of the law, you are obeying the LoC, right? But the church always has (and always will) considered homosexuality immoral and improper. Of course, the leadership is going to deny your request.
Bring on the litigation. So you see, there could be a bit of a slippery slope.
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Archie Moses
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The original talk was not a message of "hate" like Katie and gay community made it out to be. I don't understand how people don't get that.
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They do. They just don't want to admit it.
G-O-A-T
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the church doesn't HAVE to sanction the marriage of anyone. If the church isn't receiving state funding, I don't understand why it would be required to perform the role of the state in sanctioning particular marriages. In other words, if the church doesn't want to perform homosexual marriages in its privately owned, privately funded temples, it doesn't have too.
What I saw happening (in prop 8) was the church trying to mesh its own religious views into state sanctioned law... which is wrong, wrong, WRONG. I'm pretty sure if it was the other way around - state officials trying to cram state law into your religious beliefs - you would be screaming bloody murder too!
G-O-A-T
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It wasn't a message of direct hate... it wasn't a message inciting hate... it was a message that has a tendency to lead to hate.
Example: How do you feel about pedophiles? Society doesn't tell us to "hate" them, but considering the stigma that comes from acting in such impure and unnatural ways, what ends up happening to our views about pedophiles?
Sure, maybe you don't hate them, but a lot of people do... and what Packer did was promote the same sort of feelings, albeit on a much lesser scale. Now, if Packer had said the same thing about pedophiles, no one would complain - because pedophiles HURT others. Being homosexual, in itself, hurts no one. So my question: Why did he have to go there in his speech?