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George Hill wants an extension. Need capologists in here

This might be a bit dry, but here's what I got.

Here's the calculations about our current salary total and capspace we have and what we can and what we cannot offer to Hill and/or Favors:

Current Salary Total for the Jazz is: $80,498,192
The Salary cap is: $94,143,000

This means we have 13,644,808 to spend on renegotiate and extend with either Hill or Favors... or both.

We also have about 1M tied in Withey's non-guaranteed contract. Meaning we can get to about 14.65M if we want to by waiving Withey.

The question is... what do we want to do with this 13.6M? Is it enough to extend both Favors and Hill? Or should we choose one? Favors' max is about 22M. This means that if we max him, We will be left with only 2.5M for Hill. In order to see what a reasonable contract for Favors would be I think it would be beneficial to calculate what's the absolute max he can get over the next 4 years if he doesn't renegotiate and extend his current contract - this would be 23M from his current contract and max for the first two years of his new contract(~63M). The total would be around 86M over the next 4 years. I think for the Jazz to have a chance to extend him, they need to make him whole for those 4 years. They need to offer him a renegotiate and extend contract that's at least at that 86M value(or very close). How can we do that? We can front load it or we can back load it. The max we can give him is about 22M in the first year(this year). If want to do both Hill and Favors we probably need to back load Favors' contract. So he would start at say 19M -> 20.5 -> 22 -> 23.5. That gets him to about 85. Lets say that's enough to make him sign it.

This leaves about 5.6M to give to Hill.

The real question here is what do you think he will get as an offer in the summer? Would he get 4/80? 4/64? Maybe 4/100? I don't know. This is the hardest part in this calculation really - I have no idea what he will be looking to get. He will be going into his mid-30s for the duration of this contract - keep this in mind. I think 4/64 is fair, but he might be looking for more. I don't know. Lets say he is OK with getting 16M/year. We are doing the same calculation as above with Favors - what would he get for the first 4 years if he doesn't renegotiate - 8M(this year's salary) + 3x16M =~56M. So the Jazz need to make him whole for those 4 years(we need to give him 56M for those 4 years). We bump his salary for this current year from 8 to 13.6M -> 14.6 -> 15.6 -> 16.6 = ~60.5M This is probably not enough, but lets say he loves it so much that he makes us that discount.

Where would we be after this with salary cap and luxury tax next year?

Here's all players we will have under contract next summer(after renegotiating and extending Hill and Favors to the amounts listed above):

Gobert: 23M
Favors: 20.5M
Hill: 14.6M
Burks: 10.8M
Joe Johnson: 10.5M
Exum:5M
Lyles: 2.5M
Hood: 2.4M
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That's 89.3M

The projected salary cap is 103M. The projected luxury tax is 123M.

Before July 1st Hayward will opt out of his 16.7M and his cap hold will jump to ~25M. If we resign Hayward for the max, this would cost us ~28.5M in the first year.

So, best case scenario he stays and we add his 28.5M to the salary sheet and we get 117.8M salary sheet. And we only have 9 players under contract at this point.

Lets say we keep Neto and Bolomboy at 1M each. We have 2 first round picks that would probably be in the 20s, thus they will cost us about 1M each(although the rookie scale might jump so, we don't know yet). That gets us to 13 roster spots and ~121.8M of salaries. We will have MLE so we can sign some minimum level guy or we can sign the second rounders to min contracts, but in general we are dangerously close to the luxury tax. We might need to unload Burks at this point. But for the time being, lets say Gordon gives us a very slight discount so we wouldn't go into the tax.

Here's our roster:

George Hill, Dante Exum, Raul Neto
Rodney Hood, Alec Burks, ???first round pick???
Gordon Hayward, Joe Johnson, ???min vet or second round pick???
Derrick Favors, Trey Lyles, Joel Bolomboy
Rudy Gobert, ??? first round pick???, ???min vet or second round pick???

The year after things might get really dicey with Hood and Exum up for extensions. In general at some point we will need to start making decisions... It pains me to say it because I absolutely love Alec, but he seems like the first potential casualty if we want to keep this core together past the summer of 2018. And even with him gone, it's very possible that we will need to make yet another tough decision about who to keep going past 2018.

(there is another very obvious and easier option, but I'm not sure the Jazz would like it - give all the money to Hill this year in a front-loaded contract that drops significantly later to facilitate keeping the core until 2018. The problem with this option is that Favors will be FA in 2018 and the all decisions will need to be made that summer(Favors, Hood, Exum)).

tl;dr it's probably possible to give both Favors and Hill renegotiate and extend. This however might mean the Jazz would need to find a way to dump Burks' contract sooner or later if they want to avoid luxury tax. Things get even more dicey past 2018, when Exum and Hood would require extensions.

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Well done
 
and for this reason I would seriously consider this trade if the pelicans would do it

Hayward, favors and exum or draft picks

Anthony Davis and filler


Hill, Mack, Neto
Hood, filler
Johnson, draft pick Ingles
Davis, Lyles, Bolomboy
Gobert, draft pick

but the front line of gobert and Davis is all world.
 
I can't see Hill's contract being renegotiated unless we trade away Burks. And doing so is a little bit risky at this point when we have yet to see Burks play with this rendition of our team, along with seeing if Hill will return to his Indy-level of play after Hayward returns (keep in mind he also put up some great stats while George was out with injury).


We're lucky to have until February to work this out. If All-star voting was held today, George Hill would be an all-star. He's had an unbelievable start to the season. We could honestly be 0-5 without him at this point.
 
I can't see Hill's contract being renegotiated unless we trade away Burks. And doing so is a little bit risky at this point when we have yet to see Burks play with this rendition of our team, along with seeing if Hill will return to his Indy-level of play after Hayward returns (keep in mind he also put up some great stats while George was out with injury).


We're lucky to have until February to work this out. If All-star voting was held today, George Hill would be an all-star. He's had an unbelievable start to the season. We could honestly be 0-5 without him at this point.

I think Utah holds steady for a couple months now that they know Hill is open to discussing it. The FO will want to see if his play holds steady or declines. That will also give them time to feel out Burks recovery and time frames.

If what we have seen so far of Burks and Hill's play is what we get I'd absolutely trade Burks and sign/extend Hill. I like Burks but Hill has been amazing. Let's see if that holds up.
 
Extending Hill now would be foolish. His play will regress at some point, and his numbers will drop when Hayward comes back.
 
I'm all for it. Our weakness has always been at point guard ever since D-Will left. With our glut of wing players, I'd be willing to ship off Burks or Johnson to make room to retain Hill.

The Hill acquisition as a whole reminds me of the Lowry to Toronto situation a few years ago. Lowry was a borderline starter/not a special player before he went to Toronto, then when he became a Raptor, he suddenly became an All-Star and one of the top guards in the league, leading Toronto to an Eastern Conference Finals appearance.

I think Hill plays smarter basketball than Lowry, and he's just as good (maybe better) on the defensive end. Hill could have a shot at the All-Star team if he keeps putting up good numbers (19-23 PPG, 5 APG). I expect his usage to drop a bit when Hayward returns, but there's absolutely no reason to think that the two couldn't co-exist.

I think Hill is the exact point guard that Snyder has been looking for, and the only reason we shouldn't resign him is if CP3 suddenly wants to be a Jazzman this upcoming summer.

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I can't see Hill's contract being renegotiated unless we trade away Burks. And doing so is a little bit risky at this point when we have yet to see Burks play with this rendition of our team, along with seeing if Hill will return to his Indy-level of play after Hayward returns (keep in mind he also put up some great stats while George was out with injury).


We're lucky to have until February to work this out. If All-star voting was held today, George Hill would be an all-star. He's had an unbelievable start to the season. We could honestly be 0-5 without him at this point.

Why
 
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243866/George-Hill-Open-To-Discussing-Extension-With-Jazz

Early in the season, but obviously he is playing well and if he keeps it up he would be very deserving.

Things to consider: He'll need starting PG money (obviously) so Exum will not be taking starting reigns anytime soon if this happens.

Favors needs and extension too.

If he reaches free agency we will likely get outbid.


I don't know cap ****, I think we are currently $12.8 million under.


Make the numbers work bros.

Why we can not go above the cap to extend both?
 
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