Get off our plane! Now!

[fishonjazz]

The student was just an example I brought up. It could be someone going to a wedding, or a daughter going to see a sick parent. The computer program doesn't take into account any of that. How can it?


Instead of using the stupid program, just let the people decide. You raise the offer enough people will start to take it up. A tourist wanting to stay an extra night/day with extra spending money is going to take up the offer. It is the most effective/efficient way of allocating resources to those who need it most. Basic supply/demand.


Also from the perspective of the airline, they only needed to vacate 4 seats, it's not gonna cost them all that much.

I agree that this is the way it should be done

 

[RandyForRubio]

I agree that this is the way it should be done

Guys. They couldn't do it like that.

Without authority, they can only go up to a certain limit. That's a good thing. You don't let lower level employees decide to give away mass amount of money. Simple concept.

They tried to get volunteers. People didn't. So they went within their rights, and found people to take off.

They had to take 4 people off. Not because of airline policy, because of federal policy. Good luck changing that.

Now here's the thing. I get how this seems unfair. But at the same time, when buying a ticket, you essentially signed a contract saying that you agree to those rules. They're not forcing you to fly with them.

Personally, if security comes and tells me I need to leave a plane and I don't have a choice, I'm gonna do that. It really sucks that because some ******* didn't want to follow the rules, didn't want to listen to the authorities, he's gonna get paid. And you know he's already working it. Freaking guy said this experience was more terrifying than when he fled Vietnam. He's just trying to get paid.

 

[fishonjazz]

Guys. They couldn't do it like that.

Without authority, they can only go up to a certain limit. That's a good thing. You don't let lower level employees decide to give away mass amount of money. Simple concept.

They tried to get volunteers. People didn't. So they went within their rights, and found people to take off.

They had to take 4 people off. Not because of airline policy, because of federal policy. Good luck changing that.

Now here's the thing. I get how this seems unfair. But at the same time, when buying a ticket, you essentially signed a contract saying that you agree to those rules. They're not forcing you to fly with them.

Personally, if security comes and tells me I need to leave a plane and I don't have a choice, I'm gonna do that. It really sucks that because some ******* didn't want to follow the rules, didn't want to listen to the authorities, he's gonna get paid. And you know he's already working it. Freaking guy said this experience was more terrifying than when he fled Vietnam. He's just trying to get paid.

I would think they would have to pay less if they did it like that.

I know I would take an offer pretty quick. They would never get near their limit

 

[Stoked]

All I have to say is that the United Airline memes are great.

One with Negan holding Lucille on a plane and it says "I will shut that **** down."

Then the video spoof of "privilege class" lol

Good stuff.

 

[The Midnight]

Guys. They couldn't do it like that.

Without authority, they can only go up to a certain limit. That's a good thing. You don't let lower level employees decide to give away mass amount of money. Simple concept.

Delta is already changing their policy.

"The company's customer service agents are now authorized to offer up to $2,000 for voluntary denied boardings. The previous normal limit had been only $800.

In some cases, compensation is now allowed to reach $9,950, though Delta has a number of rules — including authorization from superiors — before agents can go up that high. Until the bulletin took effect on Friday, the maximum payout had been capped at $1,350."

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/15/delta-says-it-will-pay-passengers-up-to-nearly-10000-to-leave-seats-on-overbooked-flights.html

They had to take 4 people off. Not because of airline policy, because of federal policy. Good luck changing that.

They didn't have to take anybody off. The flight was fully booked but they wanted to get 2 pilots and 2 flight attendant to Louisville for the next day's flight. They could have gotten those employees there some other way. There is no federal policy preventing that.

Now here's the thing. I get how this seems unfair. But at the same time, when buying a ticket, you essentially signed a contract saying that you agree to those rules. They're not forcing you to fly with them.

Yes the policy is in the fine prints. But going forward other airlines are starting to change their policy to accomodate this. United might decide to sit on their hands and do nothing - we'll see. But if they do that they're dumb. Business is all about adapting yourself to the ever changing world around you. If United doesn't adapt but others do, they will fall behind.

I get that your business relates to growing potatoes and people have been doing that for hundreds of years and there has been no significant change. But the airline business needs to change to adapt to technology, to customers' lifestyles and preference, to competing with other competitors, it is an ever changing industry, unlike the farming industry that you're in.

Personally, if security comes and tells me I need to leave a plane and I don't have a choice, I'm gonna do that. It really sucks that because some ******* didn't want to follow the rules, didn't want to listen to the authorities, he's gonna get paid. And you know he's already working it. Freaking guy said this experience was more terrifying than when he fled Vietnam. He's just trying to get paid.

Again, the incident has passed. I'm no longer talking about that. I'm talking about going forward what is the best policy so as not to let this sort of situation happen again. There are many other ways and other airlines are starting to implement that.

 

[The Midnight]

I agree that this is the way it should be done

Thanks Fish, me too. And as mentioned above Delta has already started to implement this as of last Friday.

 

[RandyForRubio]

They didn't have to take anybody off. The flight was fully booked but they wanted to get 2 pilots and 2 flight attendant to Louisville for the next day's flight. They could have gotten those employees there some other way. There is no federal policy preventing that.

Yes, there literally is a policy preventing that. It's also in their union contracts. United isn't allowed to rent them a car and have them drive over. They're not allowed to put them on another airlines plane. Try to read up on this, it's readily available information. So no, they could not have gotten those employees there some other way.


Yes the policy is in the fine prints. But going forward other airlines are starting to change their policy to accomodate this. United might decide to sit on their hands and do nothing - we'll see. But if they do that they're dumb. Business is all about adapting yourself to the ever changing world around you. If United doesn't adapt but others do, they will fall behind.

I get that your business relates to growing potatoes and people have been doing that for hundreds of years and there has been no significant change. But the airline business needs to change to adapt to technology, to customers' lifestyles and preference, to competing with other competitors, it is an ever changing industry, unlike the farming industry that you're in.

Yes OL, there have been no significant changes in agriculture for hundreds of years. We're still out here with horses and plows. LOL! Not to mention we're still using the same varieties from hundreds of years back. Man, I don't think I'd ever go to your flower shop if that's how you think things operate.

But wait! There's even more you're wrong on here! Airlines actually have to change the least out of major corporations. Why? Well, because there are basically 4 major US Airlines. You see, if you want to stop going to Chik-fil-A, that's easy. If you want to stop shopping at Walmart, that's easy. There are alternatives. If you're flying somewhere, and United is the only plane you can take (which is how it goes for a lot of places), well...you're screwed. Unless you want to drive. I guess you could do that. Short of flying a **** on of planes into the ground, airlines can pretty much do whatever they want to.


Again, the incident has passed. I'm no longer talking about that. I'm talking about going forward what is the best policy so as not to let this sort of situation happen again. There are many other ways and other airlines are starting to implement that.

You're no longer talking about the incident because you've been proven wrong on almost every level.

 

[The Midnight]

You're no longer talking about the incident because you've been proven wrong on almost every level.

You're right JustThetip.



In fact you're so right, that a large corporation such as Delta had just done the exact opposite of everything you've just said.

 

[The Midnight]

Poll: Americans will buy a more expensive flight to avoid United Airlines

According to a Morning Consult poll that surveyed a national sample of 1,976 American adults, 79 percent of respondents who had heard about United’s recent news said they would choose a different airline if that airline — the poll specifically used American Airlines as a stand-in — offered an identical flight for the same price.

Further, when presented with a hypothetical scenario in which the competing flight was both more expensive and longer, requiring a layover instead of a direct arrival, 44 percent of the respondents who had heard about United’s recent news would still choose the alternative flight rather than fly United.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/4/17/15326262/americans-avoiding-united-airlines-poll

 

[♪alt13]

Delta is already changing their policy.

"The company's customer service agents are now authorized to offer up to $2,000 for voluntary denied boardings. The previous normal limit had been only $800.

In some cases, compensation is now allowed to reach $9,950, though Delta has a number of rules — including authorization from superiors — before agents can go up that high. Until the bulletin took effect on Friday, the maximum payout had been capped at $1,350."

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/15/delta-says-it-will-pay-passengers-up-to-nearly-10000-to-leave-seats-on-overbooked-flights.html




They didn't have to take anybody off. The flight was fully booked but they wanted to get 2 pilots and 2 flight attendant to Louisville for the next day's flight. They could have gotten those employees there some other way. There is no federal policy preventing that.




Yes the policy is in the fine prints. But going forward other airlines are starting to change their policy to accomodate this. United might decide to sit on their hands and do nothing - we'll see. But if they do that they're dumb. Business is all about adapting yourself to the ever changing world around you. If United doesn't adapt but others do, they will fall behind.

I get that your business relates to growing potatoes and people have been doing that for hundreds of years and there has been no significant change. But the airline business needs to change to adapt to technology, to customers' lifestyles and preference, to competing with other competitors, it is an ever changing industry, unlike the farming industry that you're in.




Again, the incident has passed. I'm no longer talking about that. I'm talking about going forward what is the best policy so as not to let this sort of situation happen again. There are many other ways and other airlines are starting to implement that.

That's exactly what United did. That's exactly what Delta has always done. The only thing delta changed is that they will offer more money.

 

[The Midnight]

That's exactly what United did. That's exactly what Delta has always done. The only thing delta changed is that they will offer more money.

All I'm advocating is at least offer more money before you start dragging people off the plane.



And that's exactly what United has decided to do now:

United Airlines has updated its policy to no longer allow crew members to displace passengers who are already seated on a plane.

Under the new policy, which is meant to avoid future public relations fiascos like the one the world witnessed earlier this week, airline crews are required to check in at least an hour before a flight leaves. The purpose is to avoid having to find a seat for a crew member after all passengers have already boarded.

The policy change comes a few days after a passenger of an overbooked flight was violently forced out of a plane so a crew member could take his seat. Now-viral videos of the incident show a man, his nose bloody and his glasses nearly knocked off his face, being dragged by the arm across the aisle.

United spokeswoman Maggie Schmerin said in an email that the new policy is meant to ensure that such incidents will "never happen again".

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/91614534/heres-one-thing-united-will-do-differently-after-the-fiasco

 

[RandyForRubio]

United didn't drag the person off the plane you dumbass. That was airport security.