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At least no one will question your commitment to sticking with this stupid idea to the bitter end.
At least no one will confuse you with someone who knows American history, or someone who has his fingers on the pulse of our current moment……you have added nothing relevant to this thread, beyond your own ignorance, of course…..




 
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At least no one will confuse you with someone who knows American history, or someone who has his fingers on the pulse of our current moment……you have added nothing relevant to this thread, beyond your own ignorance, of course…..




I don't think you know the difference between intellectualism and indulging a bias. The first article you posted this morning said forgiveness is evidence of Christian Nationalism. That is retarded. It isn't in the same zip code as intellectualism. Now you're posting articles detailing events that happened in 1493, because Christian Nationalism! So long as it isn't hurting someone else, keep doing whatever make you happy.
 
To sum up, here you are advocating for anti-intellectualism. Here you are saying: “we should never be educated about aspects of American history that I have declared stupid”.

Never said Trump and Musk, et al, were “religious”. Are they willing to cynically use the public’s belief in Christian nationalism to their advantage? What do you think, lol.

In the end, I really have no idea why you mounted the type of attack and response to a thread noting the existence of Christian nationalism in the United States, and an integral part of American self image, for millions of my fellow citizens. Not sure what you have attacked ideas rooted in the cultural history of the United States, rooted in the American Experience, and how the ideas rooted in Christian nationalism are present in culture today. Pervasive to a degree, in fact.

I just think you demonstrate an anti-intellectualism, a visceral objection to learning, that is disgusting. And once again, nothing you said in this thread has anything to do with the subject of the thread.
The "why" is that he is a troll, nothing more. There is zero depth to his thinking or rhetoric beyond trying to get a rise out of people, and he has succeeded here in spades. You have some great posts here, but aimed at someone who cannot and will not absorb what you are saying beyond figuring out how he can twist it to keep you on the hook.
 
I don't think you know the difference between intellectualism and indulging a bias. The first article you posted this morning said forgiveness is evidence of Christian Nationalism. That is retarded. It isn't in the same zip code as intellectualism. Now you're posting articles detailing events that happened in 1493, because Christian Nationalism! So long as it isn't hurting someone else, keep doing whatever make you happy.
Wow, not just ignorant, but also cannot admit when he’s wrong. That’s pretty cowardly.
 
The "why" is that he is a troll, nothing more. There is zero depth to his thinking or rhetoric beyond trying to get a rise out of people, and he has succeeded here in spades. You have some great posts here, but aimed at someone who cannot and will not absorb what you are saying beyond figuring out how he can twist it to keep you on the hook.
True, but he gave me the opportunity to flesh out the role of Christian nationalism in our past, and our present. I certainly don’t mind adding that to this thread, even if it was in answer to a troll.

Remarkably, he thinks it’s news that Trump isn’t really religious, therefore Christian nationalism is nothing. Not realizing there is no logic at all in that argument. So he’s not even smart enough to be logical anymore. But, in fact, it was because he was too cowardly to admit he was mistaken.

As soon as he replied to me this morning, I knew he had just made a fool out of himself. Believe me, I was looking forward to furthering both information for the thread(and nobody has to add or reply to it. It’s simply another important element in the MAGA view of America in 2025), as well as furthering the understanding that he was making a fool out of himself with his replies in this thread.

Think I didn’t enjoy doing both? lol. He is such an intellectual pipsqueak!

Our Christian president:IMG_5595.webp
 
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Now you're posting articles detailing events that happened in 1493, because Christian Nationalism! So long as it isn't hurting someone else, keep doing whatever make you happy
They were posted so you, or obviously anyone reading the thread, could be a bit more educated in the subject. Both in American history, it’s a fundamental theme from the Puritans onward, and its very real visibility within America today, especially among Republicans. Obviously, you could not handle those facts. Well, have I not called you anti-education? I have, and you just proved it. And your silly reply above, really reads like someone who knows he’s been educated, whether he wanted to be or not(and you don’t), and really does not know how to squiggle out of his embarrassment. Hence the above. Be better.


View: https://x.com/RepMTG/status/1551705165983621120
 


View: https://www.npr.org/2023/02/14/1156642544/more-than-half-of-republicans-support-christian-nationalism-according-to-a-new-s

Why do Americans on the right want a dictatorship? Is it because they can’t fathom being under the boot of oppression? They do know that president AOC can do anything Trump does and more, right? Is it because Trump sells them what they want? Is there something sick with American Christianity that has made the soil of fertile, ready for the seeds of fascism to grow?
 
Why do Americans on the right want a dictatorship?
We don't. That is why we voted out the political party who demonstrated being a threat to democracy by throwing out their democratic nomination process to install a figurehead atop the ticket. Thanks to the American people engaging to throw the bad apples out of power, there will be an election in 2028.
 
The odd thing to me, in seeing this thread basically declared, by one individual, irrelevant in 2025, is that, if one considers the title, God and Country, one might be hard pressed to find a more persistent theme in American history. Variations from the earliest days to the present. To decline to look at the concept/politicised religion of Christian nationalism today, as being another pulse of that theme, God and Country, seems both lame and an inexplicable lapse in understanding our society, in the present moment. Why? Why would one be so adverse to learning something that is indeed highly relevant in the American society of 2025? So to see the extreme version of Christian nationalism in vogue today, one is really just seeing a most recent iteration of that very theme, God and Country. Christian nationalism is a notable component in today’s MAGA movement, and among Republicans in general. It is part of our present moment, and it is embedded in our culture wars. It’s very relevant, indeed. That doesn’t mean it must interest everyone, people are free to ignore the thread…..

My posting this thread was challenged as being meaningless. But, it gave me the opportunity to elaborate. And that’s a good thing.




View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRTZZ1IDCGg
 
The "why" is that he is a troll, nothing more. There is zero depth to his thinking or rhetoric beyond trying to get a rise out of people, and he has succeeded here in spades. You have some great posts here, but aimed at someone who cannot and will not absorb what you are saying beyond figuring out how he can twist it to keep you on the hook.
*cough*troll*cough*
 
Why do Americans on the right want a dictatorship? Is it because they can’t fathom being under the boot of oppression? They do know that president AOC can do anything Trump does and more, right? Is it because Trump sells them what they want? Is there something sick with American Christianity that has made the soil of fertile, ready for the seeds of fascism to grow?
For most of MAGA being in an equal position to immigrant Mexicans, black people, women, and the LGBTQIA+ community is the same or worse than oppression.

They don't want to be equal to those people. They want to be better. They have convinced themselves that they are better.
 
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Christianity is by far the largest faith in America, and Christian conservatives have a strong grip on the levers of government. That dominance is leaving many to question why President Donald Trump’s new task force on eradicating anti-Christian bias is needed.

Critics see the task force initiative as unnecessary and pandering to Trump’s base. But some Christian supporters said it is overdue, claiming the Biden administration had discriminated against them through actions and inactions.

The two-year task force, chaired by Attorney General Pam Bondi and composed of Cabinet and other government representatives, is assigned to review and “identify any unlawful anti-Christian” actions under the Biden administration, change any objectionable policies and recommend steps to rectify any past failures.

A debate over victimhood​

Bruce Ledewitz, a law professor at Duquesne University in Pittsburgh, criticized the mindset behind the executive order as that of a powerful group claiming victimhood.

The Christian conservative movement — a core Republican constituency — now has significant sway on the Supreme Court and in numerous states, Congress and the presidency, Ledewitz said. And still, they declare, “We are victims,” he said.

“There’s a struggle for the soul of America,” said Ledewitz, who studies the relationship between constitutional law and religion. “We call this a culture war, but it’s very deep,” animated by the charge “that you people, the Democrats, you are not religious, and we are.”

Trump said exactly that at a National Prayer Breakfast gathering on Feb. 6.

“The opposing side, they oppose religion, they oppose God,” Trump claimed, accusing the previous administration of engaging in “persecution.” President Joe Biden, a regular Mass-attending Catholic, often spoke of drawing on the values of his faith and had warm relations with Pope Francis.

But Ryan Bangert, a senior vice president at the conservative legal organization Alliance Defending Freedom, said the task force is overdue.

He said the Biden administration was “deliberately targeting Christian beliefs through discriminatory policies” on issues such as abortion and gender. These are “not fringe beliefs” and are shared by other religious groups besides Christians, he said.


Tonally, both events were, by Trump’s 2024 tachycardic rhetorical standards, restrained, cool, even calm. The implications of what was proposed at the second gathering, however, are incendiary. America’s non-conservative Christians, non-Christians and nonbelievers should take heed, as should all of those who believe that some form of secular governance is necessary for the well-being of any liberal democracy.

Secular governance, as we all know, is not Donald Trump’s fancy. He made a torrent of statements to this effect at both breakfasts. But none were more alarming than his announcement that he was appointing Attorney General Pam Bondi to head a task force to “eradicate anti-Christian bias”:

“The mission of this task force will be to immediately halt all forms of anti-Christian targeting and discrimination within the federal government, including at the DOJ, which was absolutely terrible, the IRS, the FBI ... and other agencies. In addition, the task force will work to fully prosecute anti-Christian violence and vandalism in our society and to move heaven and Earth to defend the rights of Christians and religious believers nationwide. You never had that before, but this is a very powerful document I’m signing.”

For Trump, the word “Christian” refers to what we might call MAGA Christians, or the types of Christians who voted for him (i.e., evangelicals, Pentecostals, conservative Mormons and traditionalist Catholics). He is not referring to Christians who did not vote for him, such as liberal Catholics, mainline Protestants, members of various African American churches and so forth.

True, Trump did mention “religious believers” would be defended, though given Elon Musk’s attacks on Lutheran charitable organizations and Vice President JD Vance’s jousting with Catholic bishops, not to mention Trump’s repeated criticisms of Jews, I find this hard to believe.
 
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Nice sentiment by a president who said he wanted to unify. A irreligious man, using American Christians for his cynical purposes.

“The opposing side, they oppose religion, they oppose God,” Trump claimed, accusing the previous administration of engaging in “persecution.” President Joe Biden, a regular Mass-attending Catholic, often spoke of drawing on the values of his faith and had warm relations with Pope Francis”.

I’m guessing these may be the same Americans that Trump called “the enemy within”. Trump apologists are Trump apologists precisely because they hate Americans who do not think like them.

The president claims Democrats and liberals “oppose God”. That’s quite the claim, no? One wonders if Trump has a direct pipeline to “God”, perhaps receives daily briefings from “God”?
 
Many religious people just need a box checked in order to forgive and move on. That’s the whole deal, repent, bend the knee, and you’re absolved. They can forgive him for everything, even if it means violating their oath of office, their god is bigger than everything. It’s nothing more than a cheat code at this point, a way to beak the rules, take no responsibility, and move on. Hurts people? Doesn’t matter, everyone does it! Get over it and move on. These people do wild, awful things to people and absolve themselves quite easily. It’s infuriating as a person who works very hard not to hurt others and watch others do it with no guilt what so ever, because Jesus has already forgiven them. It’s a cruel and cowardly way to live.

What they don’t realize, or just ignore, is that they’ve allowed so much to slide now they’ve been lured in by their Anti-Christ and they don’t even realize it. Their scripture tells us how it ends for them.

It’s too bad. Jesus and his story are amazing and I truly believe he was an incredible guy. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s already come back a few times and we murdered him.


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Christianity is by far the largest faith in America, and Christian conservatives have a strong grip on the levers of government. That dominance is leaving many to question why President Donald Trump’s new task force on eradicating anti-Christian bias is needed.

Critics see the task force initiative as unnecessary and pandering to Trump’s base. But some Christian supporters said it is overdue, claiming the Biden administration had discriminated against them through actions and inactions.

The two-year task force, chaired by Attorney General Pam Bondi and composed of Cabinet and other government representatives, is assigned to review and “identify any unlawful anti-Christian” actions under the Biden administration, change any objectionable policies and recommend steps to rectify any past failures.

A debate over victimhood​

Bruce Ledewitz, a law professor at Duquesne University in Pittsburgh, criticized the mindset behind the executive order as that of a powerful group claiming victimhood.

The Christian conservative movement — a core Republican constituency — now has significant sway on the Supreme Court and in numerous states, Congress and the presidency, Ledewitz said. And still, they declare, “We are victims,” he said.

“There’s a struggle for the soul of America,” said Ledewitz, who studies the relationship between constitutional law and religion. “We call this a culture war, but it’s very deep,” animated by the charge “that you people, the Democrats, you are not religious, and we are.”

Trump said exactly that at a National Prayer Breakfast gathering on Feb. 6.

“The opposing side, they oppose religion, they oppose God,” Trump claimed, accusing the previous administration of engaging in “persecution.” President Joe Biden, a regular Mass-attending Catholic, often spoke of drawing on the values of his faith and had warm relations with Pope Francis.

But Ryan Bangert, a senior vice president at the conservative legal organization Alliance Defending Freedom, said the task force is overdue.

He said the Biden administration was “deliberately targeting Christian beliefs through discriminatory policies” on issues such as abortion and gender. These are “not fringe beliefs” and are shared by other religious groups besides Christians, he said.


Tonally, both events were, by Trump’s 2024 tachycardic rhetorical standards, restrained, cool, even calm. The implications of what was proposed at the second gathering, however, are incendiary. America’s non-conservative Christians, non-Christians and nonbelievers should take heed, as should all of those who believe that some form of secular governance is necessary for the well-being of any liberal democracy.

Secular governance, as we all know, is not Donald Trump’s fancy. He made a torrent of statements to this effect at both breakfasts. But none were more alarming than his announcement that he was appointing Attorney General Pam Bondi to head a task force to “eradicate anti-Christian bias”:

“The mission of this task force will be to immediately halt all forms of anti-Christian targeting and discrimination within the federal government, including at the DOJ, which was absolutely terrible, the IRS, the FBI ... and other agencies. In addition, the task force will work to fully prosecute anti-Christian violence and vandalism in our society and to move heaven and Earth to defend the rights of Christians and religious believers nationwide. You never had that before, but this is a very powerful document I’m signing.”

For Trump, the word “Christian” refers to what we might call MAGA Christians, or the types of Christians who voted for him (i.e., evangelicals, Pentecostals, conservative Mormons and traditionalist Catholics). He is not referring to Christians who did not vote for him, such as liberal Catholics, mainline Protestants, members of various African American churches and so forth.

True, Trump did mention “religious believers” would be defended, though given Elon Musk’s attacks on Lutheran charitable organizations and Vice President JD Vance’s jousting with Catholic bishops, not to mention Trump’s repeated criticisms of Jews, I find this hard to believe.
Weird that they need a task force to protect them.
I guess God isn't on their side? You would think God could protect them if He wanted to.
 
Nice sentiment by a president who said he wanted to unify. A irreligious man, using American Christians for his cynical purposes.

“The opposing side, they oppose religion, they oppose God,” Trump claimed, accusing the previous administration of engaging in “persecution.” President Joe Biden, a regular Mass-attending Catholic, often spoke of drawing on the values of his faith and had warm relations with Pope Francis”.

I’m guessing these may be the same Americans that Trump called “the enemy within”. Trump apologists are Trump apologists precisely because they hate Americans who do not think like them.

The president claims Democrats and liberals “oppose God”. That’s quite the claim, no? One wonders if Trump has a direct pipeline to “God”, perhaps receives daily briefings from “God”?
Then a preacher in church simply asks trump to be nice and compassionate and he demands an apology.
How dare someone ask him to be kind and compassionate in church!
 

Truth, and I admire that Trump is going about fighting them the correct way. The Biden administration simply ignored court rulings they didn't like, and Joe would make a speech boasting about it.

Trump is filing appeals to establish legal precedent that can be used to strike down future lefty activist judges. Doing that is harder and takes longer, but it is the right way of doing things.
 
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