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Joe Bagadonuts said:
First, how come when I reply to this quote text shows up that was invisible in your original?

Second, I am not privy to my uncle's medical records but he has a son with serious health concerns. He believes that the care is quicker and better in America. He has a number of friends who feel the same so I have a feeling this minority is not as small as you believe.
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Ah yes, the ever-meritful anecdotal evidence. I will stand by and wait to see if you manage to bring forth any actual evidence that indicates Canadians want to revoke public healthcare in significant numbers.

Third, some people seem to believe that government should be like a parent who oversees everything. I believe that in general when government gets involved the process gets less efficient and more costly.
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Here's a question for you, and please take it seriously: if the number of Canadian voters who want an American-style healthcare system isnt an extreme minority, why is it that not a single member of parliament in the entire House of Commons (analogous to congressmember) has ever mentioned a willingness to revoke a single-payer healthcare system? Why hasnt any party, whether left-wing or right-wing, made promises to citizens that they will attempt to remove single-payer healthcare?

The conservative party of Canada has some policies that are arguably even more conservative than the states-- however, they 100% step away from health care.


Here is why: Tommy Douglas, the politician who spearheaded the fight for single-payer healthcare in Canada is routinely voted as the greatest Canadian of all time, across all population strata. A movement to revoke public healthcare is tantamount to political death. It would be like an American politician stating that they refuse to consider Israel's sovereignty-- actually, maybe even worse.


So while you have managed to have named three Canadians who (allegedly) prefer American healthcare, thankfully there isnt a single Canadian politician in the House who is even professing a desire to change the system to multi-payer.
 
JAZZGASM said:
Finally, a Canadian admitting they are American.
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America spearheaded many of the greatest foundations and institutions of society as we know it. There most-likely hasn't been a more important country in this world since its conception in 1776.

Unfortunately, their characteristic desire to not rest on their laurels, and to look to improve on every facet of their society has waned. When crafting their constitution, they looked everywhere from the French Revolution to the Iroquois Confederacy to draw inspiration.

Now, you have the climate of "well what works there wont work here because #America and we are the best". Unfortunately, it is her very citizens that serve to lose the most from this mindset.
 
b_line said:
Do conservative people believe that when otherwise normal, competent people get elected that their heads fall off? How is it that conservatives feel they are allergic to being governed?
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it's statements like these that elucidate why America is irreparably ****ed so long as these mindsets prevail. It's just so, so easy to laugh away these statements with evidence.



Example 1 (of a million): it's a good thing we let the market decide that cigarettes weren't healthy, and citizens slowly decided themselves that they shouldn't be consumed. And it worked-- despite the complete lack of government regulation!!!! God knows how costly and inefficient the process would become if (God-forbid) the government got involved.......

Example 2: thank God America has a multi-payer healthcare system. Phew. Such a relief. God knows how much more single-payer nations spend on health care than the US, even as a percentage of GDP.

What? America spends more? Even as a percentage? Even in the Bush years? This. Cannot. Be.
 
dalamon said:
it's statements like these that elucidate why America is irreparably ****ed so long as these mindsets prevail. It's just so, so easy to laugh away these statements with evidence.



Example 1 (of a million): it's a good thing we let the market decide that cigarettes weren't healthy, and citizens slowly decided themselves that they shouldn't be consumed. And it worked-- despite the complete lack of government regulation!!!! God knows how costly and inefficient the process would become if (God-forbid) the government got involved.......

Example 2: thank God America has a multi-payer healthcare system. Phew. Such a relief. God knows how much more single-payer nations spend on health care than the US, even as a percentage of GDP.

What? America spends more? Even as a percentage? Even in the Bush years? This. Cannot. Be.
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Before I just get slandered with "WELL YOU ARE JUST A COMMIE!" understand that I am not arguing for full state involvement in everything. Like any intelligent person knows, life is more nuanced, complicated, and multifactorial than you think.

For some things, less government is better. Huzzah! Let's keep it that way. This is true for so many things, even in Canada.

For other things, it isn't! And there is evidence to prove it! So how about we look at every issue independently, think about whether more state involvement is better, and do away with complete imbecile generalizations like "less government is always better!"
 
dalamon said:
Ah yes, the ever-meritful anecdotal evidence. I will stand by and wait to see if you manage to bring forth any actual evidence that indicates Canadians want to revoke public healthcare in significant numbers.




Here's a question for you, and please take it seriously: if the number of Canadian voters who want an American-style healthcare system isnt an extreme minority, why is it that not a single member of parliament in the entire House of Commons (analogous to congressmember) has ever mentioned a willingness to revoke a single-payer healthcare system? Why hasnt any party, whether left-wing or right-wing, made promises to citizens that they will attempt to remove single-payer healthcare?

The conservative party of Canada has some policies that are arguably even more conservative than the states-- however, they 100% step away from health care.


Here is why: Tommy Douglas, the politician who spearheaded the fight for single-payer healthcare in Canada is routinely voted as the greatest Canadian of all time, across all population strata. A movement to revoke public healthcare is tantamount to political death. It would be like an American politician stating that they refuse to consider Israel's sovereignty-- actually, maybe even worse.


So while you have managed to have named three Canadians who (allegedly) prefer American healthcare, thankfully there isnt a single Canadian politician in the House who is even professing a desire to change the system to multi-payer.
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Stopped reading right there. We all know the greatest Canadian of all time is Sir Wayne Gretsky.
 
dalamon said:
Ah yes, the ever-meritful anecdotal evidence. I will stand by and wait to see if you manage to bring forth any actual evidence that indicates Canadians want to revoke public healthcare in significant numbers.




Here's a question for you, and please take it seriously: if the number of Canadian voters who want an American-style healthcare system isnt an extreme minority, why is it that not a single member of parliament in the entire House of Commons (analogous to congressmember) has ever mentioned a willingness to revoke a single-payer healthcare system? Why hasnt any party, whether left-wing or right-wing, made promises to citizens that they will attempt to remove single-payer healthcare?

The conservative party of Canada has some policies that are arguably even more conservative than the states-- however, they 100% step away from health care.


Here is why: Tommy Douglas, the politician who spearheaded the fight for single-payer healthcare in Canada is routinely voted as the greatest Canadian of all time, across all population strata. A movement to revoke public healthcare is tantamount to political death. It would be like an American politician stating that they refuse to consider Israel's sovereignty-- actually, maybe even worse.


So while you have managed to have named three Canadians who (allegedly) prefer American healthcare, thankfully there isnt a single Canadian politician in the House who is even professing a desire to change the system to multi-payer.
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Stopped reading right there. We all know the greatest Canadian of all time is Sir Wayne Gretsky.
 
b_line said:
Do conservative people believe that when otherwise normal, competent people get elected that their heads fall off? How is it that conservatives feel they are allergic to being governed?
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They believe that government is expensive and inefficient. They believe that we are adults and do not need massive amounts of governance.
 
b_line said:
Do conservative people believe that when otherwise normal, competent people get elected that their heads fall off? How is it that conservatives feel they are allergic to being governed?
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Joe Bagadonuts said:
They believe that government is expensive and inefficient. They believe that we are adults and do not need massive amounts of governance.
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and they probably also believe that most of us really don't need our heads either
 
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