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Gordon Hayward: Underdeveloped = Underrated

GVC said:
1. So...if Gordo is used as a spot-up shooter, he'll be more efficient? Great...an average spot-up shooter and defender for the Max!

2. Gordo was part of the problem pushing the ball last year. He was far too busy hanging back, trying to pad his rebounding numbers to get out in transition.
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No, if Trey starts being a PG, Hayward can increase his efficiency. Does this Parsons guy that everyone has a woody for also act as Houston's play maker or do the Rockets actually have one of those point guard guys to handle the ball?

LOL on Hayward not pushing. Burke was the one using a walker on his way up the court. Whether that's on Trey or was Corbin's "slo-fense" is up for debate. It was unwatchable.
 
Core4 said:
LOL on Hayward not pushing. Burke was the one using a walker on his way up the court. Whether that's on Trey or was Corbin's "slo-fense" is up for debate. It was unwatchable.
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Hayward wasn't pushing last season; he hung back for rebounds a lot more. Corbin didn't keep him from getting out in transition in previous seasons, so it's hard to pin this on him.

That was one of three things that pissed me off about Gordo's play last season. The other two were never taking mid-/full-court heaves at the end of quarters, and sulking when he wasn't performing well individually. Gordo did a fair bit of stat padding last season. Came off as a selfish, me-first player.
 
cowhide said:
There is a reason why the Jazz didn't up their offer. They don't think he is worth that type of money. You can never underestimate the stupidity of other franchises, that doesn't mean the Jazz should act irrationally. If you don't believe he is worth the MAX then you shouldn't sign him to the MAX. Again, Hayward is replaceable. He isn't Malone.

It is funny how much crap Karl got for wanting the MAX and now there are more Jazz fans advocating for Hayward? Interesting?
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The thing that scares me about letting Gordon go is that we really don't know what he (or anyone on this team) could look like under better coaching. I know it's easy to pile on Corbin, but I don't think anyone on the team was buying what he wanted to do. Look what happened in Phoenix. Their entire roster is held in higher regard after Hornacek changed the culture and play style.

Most of us seem to be comfortable with Gordon making $10-12 mil a year. If he ends up at $14-15, that difference isn't going to put our flexibility in jeopardy. The cap is going to continue to rise each year, and the $15 he's making in 2017 isn't going to seem as bad, especially since he'll be in his prime.
 
GVC said:
Hayward wasn't pushing last season; he hung back for rebounds a lot more. Corbin didn't keep him from getting out in transition in previous seasons, so it's hard to pin this on him.

That was one of three things that pissed me off about Gordo's play last season. The other two were never taking mid-/full-court heaves at the end of quarters, and sulking when he wasn't performing well individually. Gordo did a fair bit of stat padding last season. Came off as a selfish, me-first player.
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You sir, are on fire. Your opinion on this stuff is all spot on as far as im concerned. Take to twitter to spread the word? Can you also tell Locke so he knows how full of **** he is? Thanks. Jazz reporters and Locke are all blown away that we aren't on board with a Hayward max.


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Core4 said:
:rolleyes:

With Millsap would the Jazz have gotten the #5 pick? Would they have even gotten a top-10 pick?
Millsap was let go because Lindsey argued for - and won - the debate that the team still needed to rebuild and THIS was the year they MIGHT be able to get a franchise player. And c'mon, be real about the all-star appearance. Had Millsap put up those same numbers in the WC would he have gotten in over Durant, Griffin, Love, Aldridge or Nowitzki?
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Millsap is at least the same level or better than Hayward. I don't even understand your point in the rest of your post.

I used Millsap as an example of the Jazz letting go a player who became an all-star which didn't lead to DL losing his job. Which is what you claimed should happen.

Now you are dissing the accomplishment because it was done in the eastern conference. If it is no big deal that Millsap made the All-star team then why are you so worried if Hayward makes it? Because IF he does wouldn't your marginalizing of the accomplishment be the same for Hayward?
 
He's played vastly more minutes than any other actual Jazz player on the team. He's had every opportunity to succeed.
 
GVC said:
Hayward wasn't pushing last season; he hung back for rebounds a lot more. Corbin didn't keep him from getting out in transition in previous seasons, so it's hard to pin this on him.

That was one of three things that pissed me off about Gordo's play last season. The other two were never taking mid-/full-court heaves at the end of quarters, and sulking when he wasn't performing well individually. Gordo did a fair bit of stat padding last season. Came off as a selfish, me-first player.
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He's never had good body language, IMO. But last year was something else.
 
franklin said:
I don't see value in Hayward at anywhere close to what the Jazz allegedly offered him last summer, let alone these Cle rumors. He's an absolute stud as a fourth option, waste of money as a third (thinking Wade or Bosh as a third and putting Hayward in their category is such a reach I cannot understand why anyone would want to bank on it).
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Thank you.
 
GVC is likely annoyed at how many notifications he gets from me liking all of his posts. But holy ****.
 
Core4 said:
There's more than one way to handle a situation. West clearly wanted Hayward to turn around and start something. Delonte likely would have pushed back and then the two both get ejected. A win for West. Do you think LBJ is going to get ejected?
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He'd get ejected for getting in West's face? Kid has probably never fought once in his life and doesn't know how to handle situations like that at all, and to use QSH-speak, he "clams up".
 
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