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Grayson Allen 2nd Season

I always thought the Jazz made a great pick last year with Allen. The kid has potential and a passion for the game, he'll be in the league for a long time.
 
Kyoto said:
I always thought the Jazz made a great pick last year with Allen. The kid has potential and a passion for the game, he'll be in the league for a long time.
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I thought it was a typical Jazz pick since he a white kid and I also thought wow what a wasted pick because didn't think his game would translate and he a punk too on top of it.
 
If Allen turns into a rotational player, I will be happy. If we get more than that, cool. But seriously, this is getting ridiculous.

r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t said:
All three put up better efficiency numbers than Allen. Nash and Stockton were significantly better. Maybe Grayson will get it turned around next season, but it's not looking good. RXum part 2.
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By your own logic, Allen is already better than Exum. 7.5 vs 5.7 in their respective rookie campaigns. Let the play hash out for a while before we jump to conclusions, shall we?
 
TheStormofWar said:
... But seriously, this is getting ridiculous.
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I was responding to a post where someone said that it was too early to tell if Allen would turn out. I've noticed that is a common argument around here, that we have to wait some number of seasons to see if these guys are any good. I was curious about Allen, so I looked at every rookie season in history that is similar to Allen. If the post was right, I expected to find that there was a lot of guys that did eventually turn out well, along with a lot of busts. But, it turned out 99% of the players with similar PER rookie seasons to Allen went bust.

Now, if there is some other metric that points to Allen having a chance, I'm also curious to see that.
 
Udidthizz said:
And Grayson played 416 minutes. Most of the time in stints that hardly allow for finding any rhythm. So no, there’s no real point in going by the numbers.
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He also played four full seasons at Duke, which resulted in this projection for his NBA future:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/grayson-allen/

Personally, I don't think he looked that bad out there, but the numbers really hate him. It is not a good sign.
 
Watcher said:
Interesting coincidence --
CJ Miles most points scored in an NBA game: 40.
Grayson Allen most points scored in an NBA game: 40.
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LogGrad98 said:
It's deja vu all over again!
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Didn’t Mitchell put up a 40 pt game in his rookie year too? Did Miles do it in his rookie year, no.
r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t said:
He also played four full seasons at Duke, which resulted in this projection for his NBA future:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/grayson-allen/

Personally, I don't think he looked that bad out there, but the numbers really hate him. It is not a good sign.
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Guess who also played 4 years with it taking a few years to show potential, two of the best pg’s to play the game in Stockton and Nash. I’m sure you called them busts after their first few years. Lol
 
r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t said:
This again. Allen put up a 7.5 PER his rookie season. Here is a list of every single rookie season between 7.0 and 8.0 PER. 226 players and the only non-busts here are Draymond and Zach Collins? Maybe you can find some more in there, I got tired of looking.

https://www.basketball-reference.co...al=7&c2stat=per&c2comp=lt&c2val=8&order_by=ws
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Hmmm. This is a very relevant view of the situation. 226 players on that list... PER is reasonable measure of nba productivity... and rust bucket pretty accurately picked out the samples that moved above this tier of player. Not a good indicator for Allen’s trajectory. But it also doesn’t guarantee Allen’s trajectory either.

Good find, Rustbucket.
 
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