Hardy isn’t the guy for this job. It isn’t working

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Hardy didn't turn Lauri into the MIP and he's not doing it for Keyonte either. Stop it.

Yeah, that seems to be the idea behind this thread.

Anything good that is happening would happen regardless of any other circumstances and anything bad is Hardy's fault.

 

[Tanktastic]

the ESPN article where Lauri credits Hardy for his MIP award.

He says no such thing.

Lauri said Hardy empowered him. And proceeded to thank the whole coaching staff. What he didn't say is that his award was Hardy's achievement.

Sure, Hardy played a small part in Lauri's rise. Bet let's not make it "made him into".

 

[MTS]

Hardy’s defensive coaching skill is 10/10 on the worry scale for me. We talk endlessly as to whether or not he plays the crappy vets or the crappy young guys, but the real issue is that he sucks as a defensive coach. If we can give him credit for his great offensive system and success we have to be as reasonable about the defensive end.

And no, defense is not about “motivating” guys to play hard.

It isn't about "motivating guys" to play hard, but it's also fair to question how much Hardy values defense or developing good defensive habits when he has basically never demonstrated a willingness to reward good defense with more playing time (to be fair though, he'll occasionally punish players for extremely egregiuos mistakes on defense, at least).

That having been said, the Jazz obviously shouldn't fire Hardy. Worst case, he can add somebody to his coaching staff that can serve as the de-facto defensive coordinator.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Worst case, he can add somebody to his coaching staff that can serve as the de-facto defensive coordinator.

You don't think he has a defense guy on his staff right now?

 

[KqWIN]

It isn't about "motivating guys" to play hard, but it's also fair to question how much Hardy values defense or developing good defensive habits when he has basically never demonstrated a willingness to reward good defense with more playing time (to be fair though, he'll occasionally punish players for extremely egregiuos mistakes on defense, at least).

That having been said, the Jazz obviously shouldn't fire Hardy. Worst case, he can add somebody to his coaching staff that can serve as the de-facto defensive coordinator.

Agree that Hardy's track record does not suggest he prefers or rewards good defense. He's the only coach I can remember who said out loud that he didn't prioritize defense. But I also don't believe this idea of "rewarding" and "punishing" is a real solution. I think he needs to be stronger tactically. Even if he prefers the offensive focused guys he's should still be getting more out of those guys defensively through scheme etc.

I don't think we should fire him either, but if results don't improve (both development and actual results) we need to get a defensive coordinator type at minimum. I think our defensive talent is bad, but we shouldn't be THIS bad three years in a row.

 

[MTS]

You don't think he has a defense guy on his staff right now?

By that I just mean if you subscribe to the theory that there are schematic issues, that still doesn't mean you fire Hardy.

Maybe they have one and it's just a personnel issue, in which case, you don't fire Hardy.

Or maybe they have one and he isn't very good, in which case, you don't fire Hardy.

Point is, it's not an issue I'd fire him over.

 

[slc]

Do the Jazz have a coach that teaches defense?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Do the Jazz have a coach that teaches defense?

It's impossible to coach defense with the center rotation the Jazz have combined with the lack of athleticism/defensive talent on the perimeter

 

[JazzFever]

Hardy’s defensive coaching skill is 10/10 on the worry scale for me. We talk endlessly as to whether or not he plays the crappy vets or the crappy young guys, but the real issue is that he sucks as a defensive coach. If we can give him credit for his great offensive system and success we have to be as reasonable about the defensive end.

And no, defense is not about “motivating” guys to play hard.

Defense, especially in the NBA, is very much about motivation- much more than offense. Everyone wants to play well offensively- its where you get paid, and how you get pub. Defense is for those who want to win and are willing to wear themselves out to do so. That is very much motivation, and why you often see less physically gifted players still excel at it- again, look at the Nets- suddenly a defensive juggernaut. Its 100% the coaching and motivating players to implement that coaching with effort.

 

[KqWIN]

Defense, especially in the NBA, is very much about motivation- much more than offense. Everyone wants to play well offensively- its where you get paid, and how you get pub. Defense is for those who want to win and are willing to wear themselves out to do so. That is very much motivation, and why you often see less physically gifted players still excel at it- again, look at the Nets- suddenly a defensive juggernaut. Its 100% the coaching and motivating players to implement that coaching with effort.

More than offense? Sure. But defense is skill, talent, strategy, and ability just like offense. The idea of motivating your way to a good defense is fantasy. Defense is abled to be played by less physically gifted players because defense requires high level thinking, and that becomes more true by the day. The ability to quickly make decisions is a skill on both ends.

PS: The idea of offense getting you paid is totally antiquated.