Hayward/Burks to play in the Indy Pro-Am

[orangello]

https://www.pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=65123&page=6

This is where I first saw it but everywhere I look it has been blocked. You should take a look at this forum topic becuase Burks is talked about a lot and 90% of it is how he is going to be great or that he is already awesome.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I remember a few months ago, I would post (along with a few others) that the Jazz making the playoffs would be much better for the team than getting some "consistently crappy 12th overall pick" after missing the playoffs.


I think it is now reasonable to retract this statement, and point out my stupidity. Alec Burks, I seriously cannot wait to see you play in Jazz uniform. 5 three pointers also excites me a little bit.

Thankfully, I was in the minority hoping the Jazz would continue to slide and get an additional lottery pick. Burks was not on my radar, though, because I was penciling Hayward in as a SG and thought the Jazz would go PG/SF in the draft. Trying not to get too excited, but it certainly appears Burks has the right attitude to go along with his skills.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Thankfully, I was in the minority hoping the Jazz would continue to slide and get an additional lottery pick. Burks was not on my radar, though, because I was penciling Hayward in as a SG and thought the Jazz would go PG/SF in the draft. Trying not to get too excited, but it certainly appears Burks has the right attitude to go along with his skills.

Good hell who the **** wants to go through a losing season. Don't get me wrong, I like drafting good players as much as the next guy, but hell man that jazz team shouldn't have been in the lotto. When a team starts losing when does it end, but that's just me I plain hate it when the jazz lose. If you like being in the lotto be a clips fan!

I'll never understand these idiots that root for the jazz to lose. Idiots.....

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

To quote Frank Layden who was Quoting Vince Lombardi "Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing"

 

[Dr. Jones]

Winning is better than losing, but IF losing a little more means winning a lot more .. I'm in. Sorry.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Does Burks potentially have too much hopperism in him? I suppose the answer is yes, any player does but looking at those highlights, I see a bit of a hopper. Not that that's always a bad thing. I want some cockiness. I want a player who's going to take control in tight games. I just don't want a chucker who forgets about his teammates. We already have two of those in Jefferson and Kanter, two bigs with virtually no desire to pass it back out to teammates.

 

[Duck Rodgers]

Does Burks potentially have too much hopperism in him? I suppose the answer is yes, any player does but looking at those highlights, I see a bit of a hopper. Not that that's always a bad thing. I want some cockiness. I want a player who's going to take control in tight games. I just don't want a chucker who forgets about his teammates. We already have two of those in Jefferson and Kanter, two bigs with virtually no desire to pass it back out to teammates.

It didn't seem like it to me. But maybe that's because his highlights were paired with Lance Stephenson. Very few will look like "hoppers" while playing next to Lance.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Does Burks potentially have too much hopperism in him? I suppose the answer is yes, any player does but looking at those highlights, I see a bit of a hopper. Not that that's always a bad thing. I want some cockiness. I want a player who's going to take control in tight games. I just don't want a chucker who forgets about his teammates. We already have two of those in Jefferson and Kanter, two bigs with virtually no desire to pass it back out to teammates.

Not unusual for kids that come off teams with little supporting cast. I suspect he'll be fine.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Good hell who the **** wants to go through a losing season. Don't get me wrong, I like drafting good players as much as the next guy, but hell man that jazz team shouldn't have been in the lotto. When a team starts losing when does it end, but that's just me I plain hate it when the jazz lose. If you like being in the lotto be a clips fan!

I'll never understand these idiots that root for the jazz to lose. Idiots.....

Normally I agree but there two factors at play here which you don't realize.

1. Next year's draft is shaping up to be the best since Lebron's.
2. The Timberwolves will own the Jazz pick if it becomes a non lottery pick.
3. The GS pick owed to the Jazz is top 7 protected, so don't count on it - they will be bad!

So unless you think the rebuilding is complete now, it's a no brainer to get the young guys plenty of playing time and miss the playoffs. Now if the new CBA changes the draft rules so that they need 2 years of college to come out, it changes everything.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Normally I agree but there two factors at play here which you don't realize.

1. Next year's draft is shaping up to be the best since Lebron's.
2. The Timberwolves will own the Jazz pick if it becomes a non lottery pick.
3. The GS pick owed to the Jazz is top 7 protected, so don't count on it - they will be bad!

So unless you think the rebuilding is complete now, it's a no brainer to get the young guys plenty of playing time and miss the playoffs. Now if the new CBA changes the draft rules so that they need 2 years of college to come out, it changes everything.

Ya, I hadn't considered those points, because they are the most idiotic points of argument I have ever heard. Hears three reasons to win, maybe you haven't considered.

1. We may not have a pick in a strong draft, oh well at least we made the playoffs.....
2. Damn! The pups get are pick in a really good draft, wait we made the playoffs.
3. GS just lost 50 games glad I'm a jazz fan. Hear we go playoffs.

Last year was horrible let's never do it again!

 

[Jazz4ever]

Ya, I hadn't considered those points, because they are the most idiotic points of argument I have ever heard. Hears three reasons to win, maybe you haven't considered.

1. We may not have a pick in a strong draft, oh well at least we made the playoffs.....
2. Damn! The pups get are pick in a really good draft, wait we made the playoffs.
3. GS just lost 50 games glad I'm a jazz fan. Hear we go playoffs.

Last year was horrible let's never do it again!

Are you a new Jazz fan? Most of us are tired of being a perennial first and second round fodder for the last 10 years. Its nice to play a week after the regular season, but then you're ancient history like every other team. Yes the Lakers are declining, but the Thunder are emerging. Look over their roster: Durant, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka. That's a superstar, an all star, and two likely all stars and none of them are even 25 yet. Add in the fact there is a small chance Howard goes there and its criminally insane. They will be the gatekeepers for the next decade and nothing short of an immense amount of talent will beat them. Drafts like this ony come around once or twice a decade, it is the logical time to load the **** up.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Golden State won't be that bad. They have good players and did alright last year.