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KqWIN said:
People go crazy over liked tweets for no reason. Mitchell could have liked this tweet because they were laughing about it. That’s what happens 99% players like tweets. To mess with and laugh at obsessive fans.

But if you’re going to call Mitchell passive aggressive, call a spade a spade and say it to Rudy too. This is very passive aggressive towards his teammates, but that is the culture of this team. Before covid this team was falling apart. Everyone was openly saying the team wasn’t focused on the right things. Mitchell, Gobert, Bogey….all said the same thing. There have been times where the team appears to be more friendly towards each other….but results on the court have not changed.
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This... I'd love to believe that they are on the same page and that is why he liked it... but it is clearly both guys kinda going at each other.

Rudy specifically naming Booker is the tell to me about how he wanted this to hit. Its honesty, but there are times you don't have to be that honest with the media. Unless they win a title I think we are headed for a breakup this offseason... Ainge is probably planning accordingly.
 
oneye said:
At this point, beyond me being a troll on this issue, with how much noise is popping up right now, it sure seems like Donovan’s camp may legitimately be leaking things at the moment. There should not be this much nonsense in the first half of the first year of his max contract unless it’s wanted to be out there.



Also, this is Rudy’s latest comment and Donovan’s latest Twitter like. I tried to tell you all this story is closer to an end than a beginning:



To be clear, Rudy is 100% right, and Donovan is 100% passive aggressive, a PR machine, and a guy who doesn’t hold teammates accountable. At some point someone has to say it out loud that guys have not held themselves accountable. Can you trade Donovan for a haul big enough to continue competing with Rudy? Or just call it good. I honestly don’t know.
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Wow, I hadn't seen that Rudy quote until just now. That seems like a not-so-subtle shot directly at Donovan. He's definitely not wrong but I'm also not sure saying this to the media is the best way to go about it.
 
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Jingled said:
Wow, I hadn't seen that Rudy quote until just now. That's seems like a not-so-subtle shot directly at Donovan. He's definitely not wrong but I'm also not sure saying this to the media is the best way to go about it.
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Its like me telling my wife she has broccoli in her teeth... needs to be done... but will be received in private much better than in front of all of her friends.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Its like me telling my wife she has broccoli in her teeth... needs to be done... but will be received in private much better than in front of all of her friends.
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You mean like saying "Some people need to be aware of the broccoli in their teeth and clean it up, it's gross. But I am sure she will brush her teeth soon." on facebook isn't the best way?
 
At this point if choosing between both i'd say blow it up and don't miss on nearly all your top10 picks (only one to become a really good player being able to walk for nothing after only making asg in his 7th year) so all your rebuild is only about 2 (lucky) hits on lower picks that weren't even yours to begin with.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
This... I'd love to believe that they are on the same page and that is why he liked it... but it is clearly both guys kinda going at each other.

Rudy specifically naming Booker is the tell to me about how he wanted this to hit. Its honesty, but there are times you don't have to be that honest with the media. Unless they win a title I think we are headed for a breakup this offseason... Ainge is probably planning accordingly.
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Truth is, it doesn’t really matter how friendly they are to each other. Maybe when it comes Don’s long term future, but all that matters in the present is how they play on the court. We can be all buddy buddy but that doesn’t necessarily lead to better results.

I do have think the team needs another leader though. Mike doesn’t seem to be a super loud voice. All I can remember him saying is nothing at all. I’ve never been this type of guy, but I do think vocal leadership is lacking. You see the impact that CP3 has everywhere he goes.
 
rjfan said:
At this point if choosing between both i'd say blow it up and don't miss on nearly all your top10 picks (only one to become a really good player being able to walk for nothing after only making asg in his 7th year) so all your rebuild is only about 2 (lucky) hits on lower picks that weren't even yours to begin with.
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They’d never do it but that’s the path I’d go too. I’d blow it all the way up and rebuild… they’d almost certainly pick Donovan and they’d pivot into mediocrity.
 
KqWIN said:
Truth is, it doesn’t really matter how friendly they are to each other. Maybe when it comes Don’s long term future, but all that matters in the present is how they play on the court. We can be all buddy buddy but that doesn’t necessarily lead to better results.

I do have think the team needs another leader though. Mike doesn’t seem to be a super loud voice. All I can remember him saying is nothing at all. I’ve never been this type of guy, but I do think vocal leadership is lacking. You see the impact that CP3 has everywhere he goes.
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Yes and no. They do need to work together and find the best overall success for the team… requires selflessness that is not likely to be there if they hate each other.

Mike ain’t into confrontation… zero technicals in his career.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
They’d never do it but that’s the path I’d go too. I’d blow it all the way up and rebuild… they’d almost certainly pick Donovan and they’d pivot into mediocrity.
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If it comes to the point of picking one or the other, maybe. Depends on how soon that comes. If we have them both might push all the chips forward and give it hell. The situation we’re in right now is what you rebuild for, and it’s very difficult to get here in the first place.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Its like me telling my wife she has broccoli in her teeth... needs to be done... but will be received in private much better than in front of all of her friends.
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Things have undoubtably been said in private. Nothing changes. None of this is a secret.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yes and no. They do need to work together and find the best overall success for the team… requires selflessness that is not likely to be there if they hate each other.

Mike ain’t into confrontation… zero technicals in his career.
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Selflessness is hard to come by in a guy who cares about his brand above all else.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yes and no. They do need to work together and find the best overall success for the team… requires selflessness that is not likely to be there if they hate each other.

Mike ain’t into confrontation… zero technicals in his career.
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I don’t think that comes from being good friends with each other. Mitchell has plenty of close friends on the team. Sometimes having friends around you can reinforce the bad habits.

The driving factor is wanting to win above anything else. It has to be more important the shots you take, how you see yourself as a player in this league, how much you get the ball, how many minutes you play ect. You don’t have to be friends with your teammates to do that. Gobert is obsessive and he might be the odd guy out in the social circle.
 
KqWIN said:
If it comes to the point of picking one or the other, maybe. Depends on how soon that comes. If we have them both might push all the chips forward and give it hell. The situation we’re in right now is what you rebuild for, and it’s very difficult to get here in the first place.
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Where are we? I don’t think any of us think we’re close to a championship. It feels much farther away than the past few years even.
 
KqWIN said:
I don’t think that comes from being good friends with each other. Mitchell has plenty of close friends on the team. Sometimes having friends around you can reinforce the bad habits.

The driving factor is wanting to win above anything else. It has to be more important the shots you take, how you see yourself as a player in this league, how much you get the ball, how many minutes you play ect. You don’t have to be friends with your teammates to do that. Gobert is obsessive and he might be the odd guy out in the social circle.
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And therein lies the difference. Donovan is more interested in upkeep of public appearances, his brand, and being friends with everyone. Rudy cares about winning, and also winning here. Planning what market you’re moving onto, letting rumors fly about you, not holding you or your teammates accountable, and being a big distraction for nearly 2 years now isn’t a way to build a success story, and this one won’t be. Sorry everyone.
 
To be fair, I watched the interview and it didn't feel personal to me.

He talked like he wanted to steer the team towards building habits. Blamed communication and said a few times that we could get there. Also said that we couldn't flip the switch for a big game.

I don't think there is much to talk about but if it is taken as a slight, that's alright. This team needs to get way more uncomfortable if this feels like an attack for sone guys.
 
Hekate said:
To be fair, I watched the interview and it didn't feel personal to me.

He talked like he wanted to steer the team towards building habits. Blamed communication and said a few times that we could get there. Also said that we couldn't flip the switch for a big game.

I don't think there is much to talk about but if it is taken as a slight, that's alright. This team needs to get way more uncomfortable if this feels like an attack for sone guys.
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I think it’s definitely a slight and seems personal with the Booker reference, but I lean a bit more in your direction where he’s saying we’re not there but we’ll get there. JC liked it and he wouldn’t be one to like it for drama and only like it because he likes it.
 
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