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How Much Could Tyler Herro Match Donovan in Utah?

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So the Salt Lake Tribune put together some trades ideas and one of them was Donovan for Herro/Robinson/Strus/Yurtseven/Tucker/27th pick this year/2024 Heat Pick/2027 Heat Pick.

Obviously I want better picks, but it got me thinking: How much different are Herro and Mitchell really?

If we gave Herro all the touches and opportunities that Mitchell got in Utah, could he match Donovan? How close could he come if he didnt? Could he potentially do better (he is 22 to Don's soon to be 26)?

Even without changing the roster up (which Utah would assuredly do) you would have this team:

Conley/Butler/Forrest
Herro/Clarkson/Robinson
O'Neale/Strus
Bogey/Tucker/Gay
Gobert/Yurtseven

That team is going to be a top 5 offense again, and the better depth (PJ Tucker would be huge in the playoffs) will lead to better defense. You could also make more "win now" moves to shore up the roster (replace at least 2 of Clarkson/Conley/Bogey) to improve the defense. The pick at 27 could net you a solid player. Maybe someone like a Jake Laravia. Maybe Jalen Wilson is still available. Possibly a Beachamp/Liddell/Terry/Braun
 
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I compared their shot distribution data on NBA.com for this year

- Herro is the better catch and shoot player, Donovan is a better pull up shooter
- Their frequency for shots for how, when, and where they get their shots is fairly close. Donovan shoots a higher percentage of his shots from within 10ft and 3pt range. Maybe Herro could get more efficient by eliminating some of his midrange game.
- They are guarded somewhat similar on their shots, as far as percentage of shots guarded tight vs open, but Herro shoots way better when wide open vs guarded tight, whereas Mitchell is better than Herro at shooting when tightly guarded.
- Mitchell dribbles and handles the ball much more than Herro.

- Donovan shoots more free throws, has a higher assist %, Herro has a higher Rebound %, Herro is the better defender (but still not a good defender)

Overall Herro seems more like a complimentary scorer vs Donovan as your primary offensive weapon. Although, if you compared these to Donovan's 3rd year in the NBA, the numbers might be more similar.
 
I haven’t watched a lot of Heat basketball so don’t really know his game that well, but agree that from what I have seen he seems like more of a secondary scorer. If Mitchell demands a trade you could certainly do far worse than Herro, but would be in the market for a new #1 option.

From what I’ve heard about Herro I’m not sure he would embrace living in Salt Lake, so you might end up with another unhappy player very quickly.
 
Don is a clear alpha with a size limitation.. Don needs some sort of system or complimentary players to help cover this major weakness.
 
I get that Herro isnt as good as Don as a scorer yet, and likely won't be, but he's at the same level Don was at the same age and that's without being spoon-fed unlimited opportunity for 5 straight years.
 
It depends on his on ball creation and how it develops. I'm not a big Herro fan. I get that the production seems similar but how they get it and how repeatable it is matters. If he develops like Booker did with his passing and creating skills then he could replace a good chunk of what Don has given us. I'm not sure he will.

If we did have Herro I'd want a different PG... he creates some of the same issues we have on defense.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It depends on his on ball creation and how it develops. I'm not a big Herro fan. I get that the production seems similar but how they get it and how repeatable it is matters. If he develops like Booker did with his passing and creating skills then he could replace a good chunk of what Don has given us. I'm not sure he will.

If we did have Herro I'd want a different PG... he creates some of the same issues we have on defense.
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For sure. I'm the same. Maybe with the added picks and assets you could go out and get somebody.
 
I actually really like the idea of Herro, solid numbers, good efficiency, and quite young.....

I love how in this mock trade though they just kind of throw in Robinson like that'd be a positive. If we're moving Donovan Mitchell we are not taking back any bad contracts
 
dipship31 said:
I actually really like the idea of Herro, solid numbers, good efficiency, and quite young.....

I love how in this mock trade though they just kind of throw in Robinson like that'd be a positive. If we're moving Donovan Mitchell we are not taking back any bad contracts
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You have to make salaries match bud
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You have to make salaries match bud
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Yeah looking at the Heat's roster you're right there really is no other feasible path to have the salaries match not using Robinson. If they Jazz really did explore this route and took back Robinson they better be getting a treasure trove of picks.
 
Why the **** do I keep hearing trade ideas for either Mitchell or Gobert where we get players back with substandard draft picks when we know we are paying for way less value. I’d rather find trades where we don’t just get worse but much much worse with assets, prospects and a high end first where we really suck for a few years. It’s gotta be better then what we endured last year with the jazz playing with little heart and passion. Let’s not do a half *** job. Let’s take our time build assets in quality first rounders and young prospects. WTF is Herro and scrubs with low end firsts going to do other then help us limp into the playoffs with little to no opportunity to build a team?

This team needs to be gutted and be bad for a few years.
 
dipship31 said:
Yeah looking at the Heat's roster you're right there really is no other feasible path to have the salaries match not using Robinson. If they Jazz really did explore this route and took back Robinson they better be getting a treasure trove of picks.
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Give the jazz all the bad contracts and good draft picks. Draft well, develop thes picks then when the bad contracts leave the young guys are coming into their own and build a team around the young core. Easy Peezy.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
So the Salt Lake Tribune put together some trades ideas and one of them was Donovan for Herro/Robinson/Strus/Yurtseven/Tucker/27th pick this year/2024 Heat Pick/2027 Heat Pick.

Obviously I want better picks, but it got me thinking: How much different are Herro and Mitchell really?

If we gave Herro all the touches and opportunities that Mitchell got in Utah, could he match Donovan? How close could he come if he didnt? Could he potentially do better (he is 22 to Don's soon to be 26)?

Even without changing the roster up (which Utah would assuredly do) you would have this team:

Conley/Butler/Forrest
Herro/Clarkson/Robinson
O'Neale/Strus
Bogey/Tucker/Gay
Gobert/Yurtseven

That team is going to be a top 5 offense again, and the better depth (PJ Tucker would be huge in the playoffs) will lead to better defense. You could also make more "win now" moves to shore up the roster (replace at least 2 of Clarkson/Conley/Bogey) to improve the defense. The pick at 27 could net you a solid player. Maybe someone like a Jake Laravia. Maybe Jalen Wilson is still available. Possibly a Beachamp/Liddell/Terry/Braun
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I would absolutely do this trade.
 
I just don't think I can get behind us getting Herro because there will be an epidemic in Utah of douchey white kids imitating him... it will be super cringy.
 
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