How Much $$$ Should Jazz Throw at Austin Reaves?

[NUMBERICA]

No you can’t. It’s 12 for the first two years then up to the max… cap hit is smoothed out over 4 years. For them the cap hit is 13,13, max max.

I’m pretty sure if the Jazz signed him to a max that LA would have to makeup the cap hit from the first two years, so it would be something like: 11, 12, >60, >60

TLDR; gotta make that **** super toxic and either they blink or they are paying Hillbilly Kobe the most salary of anyone ever in years 3 and 4.

 

[fishonjazz]

Mayo Mamba playing TOO damn good. Gonna make us lose our shot at him.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Here’s the argument for maxing Reaves:

The Jazz are positioned to be very cap lean due to their abundance rookie-scale players. There will also likely be a cap spike in a couple of years.

It’s a wild swing but the Jazz are positioned to take it if they wanna get wild.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I’m pretty sure if the Jazz signed him to a max that LA would have to makeup the cap hit from the first two years, so it would be something like: 11, 12, >60, >60

TLDR; gotta make that **** super toxic and either they blink or they are paying Hillbilly Kobe the most salary of anyone ever in years 3 and 4.

It is just weird to me that the CBA wouldn’t allow a free agent an actual max contract because they’re an Early Bird but someone is going to have to cite the notion.

 

[KqWIN]

Here’s the argument for maxing Reaves:

The Jazz are positioned to be very cap lean due to their abundance rookie-scale players. There will also likely be a cap spike in a couple of years.

It’s a wild swing but the Jazz are positioned to take it if they wanna get wild.

Give Reaves a short max. Lot's of prophecy gets lost in translation, this is the true Lakers down payment theory coming to fruition.

On a serious note, it's really not a bad idea for the Jazz. There's a good chance our cap space ends up like OKC's this year, unused. If we can use it to get a decent player like Reeves it would be a great use.

 

[HermanG]

It is just weird to me that the CBA wouldn’t allow a free agent an actual max contract because they’re an Early Bird but someone is going to have to cite the notion.

I did cite HoopsHype article about the Gilbert Arenas Rule. See below:

From HoopsHype:
The Arenas provision limits the first-year salary that rival suitors can offer restricted free agents who have only been in the league for one or two years. The starting salary for an offer sheet can’t exceed the amount of the non-taxpayer mid-level exception, which allows the player’s original team to use either the mid-level exception or the Early Bird exception to match it. Otherwise, a team without the necessary cap space would be powerless to keep its player, like the Warriors were with Arenas.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I did cite HoopsHype article about the Gilbert Arenas Rule. See below:

I guess I’m not being clear.

Earlier in the thread, I believe it was @hgb that said that the third and fourth years are capped at the max, but if the first two years are locked into essentially the MLE, then that is not an actual max contract.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I don't know the exact numbers, but I read that LAL can give him ~13M/year. A poison pill contract can due to the Gilbert Arenas provision go way above that, but not starting year one, and somewhere else I read the max anyone can give is ~4/98.
By my (probably faulty) calculations, that would end up being
23/24: 13.xM
24/25: 13.yM (+5% of year one)
25/26: 36M
26/27: 36M

Would take a little less than 25M in cap space to give the offer sheet. Not sure if he would count against the cap with 24M/year or those above numbers.

36M per is a bit hefty for Reaves...

For the non-incumbent team, the cap hits are flat, so in the circumstance above, the cap hits to the Jazz would be $24.5 million every year. However, this wouldn’t be a real max contract and it is hard for me to believe that the CBA would disallow a player access to an actual max contract just because they are an Early Bird.

How an actual max contract would hit for an Early Bird would be ~MLE, ~MLE, ~$60m, ~60m, for the incumbent (Lakers). For the pursuing team it would be a flat ~$37m annually. Assuming that this is a thing, of course.

@HermanG this is the post that I am referring to.

 

[HermanG]

I guess I’m not being clear.

Earlier in the thread, I believe it was @hgb that said that the third and fourth years are capped at the max, but if the first two years are locked into essentially the MLE, then that is not an actual max contract.

Oh I read you wrong there. CBA is such a freaking science of its own that they need to start teaching it in Harvard.

 

[hgb]

For the non-incumbent team, the cap hits are flat, so in the circumstance above, the cap hits to the Jazz would be $24.5 million every year. However, this wouldn’t be a real max contract and it is hard for me to believe that the CBA would disallow a player access to an actual max contract just because they are an Early Bird.

How an actual max contract would hit for an Early Bird would be ~MLE, ~MLE, ~$60m, ~60m, for the incumbent (Lakers). For the pursuing team it would be a flat ~$37m annually.

@HermanG this is the post that I am referring to.

I'm not sure where they pull those numbers, but I read Somewhere™ that the max other teams could offer would be ~4/98. But when I try to read about it now, I don't see why that limit would be there. He could end up the highest paid player in the league (ever!) in two years time, actually.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I'm not sure where they pull those numbers, but I read Somewhere™ that the max other teams could offer would be ~4/98. But when I try to read about it now, I don't see why that limit would be there. He could end up the highest paid player in the league (ever!) in two years time, actually.

The argument for that would be that a max salary for a given season is an absolute concept, rather than a max salary over the life of the contract (with massive ballooning amounts as I mentioned above).

I can see how they got there, but it’s a massive oversight and incredibly unfair and arbitrary for the Early Bird free agent to be robbed of tens of millions because of the poor design of the CBA.

 

[NUMBERICA]

According to Hoops Rumors, the max for Reaves would be in-line with the $98m/4 years figure already mentioned. Not sure I trust it, but ****en dumb if true.

If Rivers keeps this up then someone needs to poison the **** out of that pill for the Lakers or snag him and I want it to be the Jazz.

The Lakers don’t need nor do they deserve such good luck as to get a player like Reaves for essentially the MLE (which is the most they can offer, to pay more they have to match another team’s offer sheet).