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If Lottery Rigging Exist, Aren't the Jazz Safe?

If it wasn't rigged we'd see real time drawing. It makes no sense to not have it unless it's rigged. And why this? Because real time lottery drawing would garner real interest. And what does that mean? It means profits, money, cash. But as rigging the lottery means prolly more profit, money, cash, in the long run, it will be forever rigged as long as someone can catch them red-handed for rigging it.
 
HermanG said:
The Spurs part is something that makes absolutely no sense in these conspiracy things.

The NBA wanting to set up the 3rd biggest franchize in a state where 80% of the population is white/hispanic is hilarious. And also San Antonio is a bottom 10 market by all metrics, whether its merch sales, viewers, franchize worth, metropolitan area size or whatever.

SA wasnt relevant before Duncan, and wasnt relevant before Wemby, yet the NBA is somehow hell bent on raising them to relevance by giving them generational prospects.

Dumb luck makes 1000% more sense.
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If I recall wemby said he wanted to go to SA.
 
Agent#00 said:
Looking more rigged lol

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8 Times The NBA Lottery Has Looked Completely Rigged - Fadeaway World

The Dallas Mavericks' improbable win of the 2025 NBA Draft Lottery with just a 1.8% chance has reignited conspiracy theories about the lottery being rigged, and we have eight examples through history where it just might be.
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Good find. I pointed out most of these but this gives more context to what I was trying to highlight.

One or two of these would be fluky. The combination of them represents some pretty extreme odds and a lot of motivated situations.

The best thing we can do as fans? But our jerseys in protest of some moment. Make national media doing it. Then... maybe we get Dyabantsa with the hometown hero troubled franchise double dip storyline.
 
LogGrad98 said:
You have a short memory. The Spurs have been a stalwart since the 70's. They came on strong in the 80's/90's drafting the Admiral, remember him? And San Antonio is far from a bottom 10 franchise, we have posted a ton showing they are top half minimum and top 10 in most cases where it matters, bringing revenue to the league and spurring (see what I did there?) increases in TV deals, way more than Utah ever did. No one tunes in to watch the Jazz, a ton of people from around the world tune in for the Spurs, and that was long before Wemby was on the scene. The bottom line is that the Spurs are way more important to the league's bottom line overall than the Jazz.
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No I simply trust more authorities than just my own conspiracy filled thoughts.

Even with the most interesting player in the NBA (Wemby) added to the mix and their recent resurgence... these are the latest 2025 rankings for franchize values:
  • Forbes has Spurs at 19, Jazz at 24
  • CNBC has Spurs at 21, Jazz at 20
  • Hoopshype has Spurs at 20, Jazz at 21
  • USA Today has Spurs at 21, Jazz at 23

But I'm sure a guy in an internet forum knows better. Also btw Wemby has pulled them on the borderline between bottom 10 and middle 10... but THEY WERENT THERE before Wemby (which is what I referenced).
 
Step-Back Lauri said:
If it wasn't rigged we'd see real time drawing. It makes no sense to not have it unless it's rigged. And why this? Because real time lottery drawing would garner real interest. And what does that mean? It means profits, money, cash. But as rigging the lottery means prolly more profit, money, cash, in the long run, it will be forever rigged as long as someone can catch them red-handed for rigging it.
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What? You think the fact that they only post video of the drawing means the 40 people in the room are all in on the conspiracy and they reshot the video multiple times or something? The camera man also paid millions to not blow the whistle? Or is this cosa nostra type of thing where they threaten those involved with violence? All the teams are represented in the actual draw.

I would guess they dont wanna do it live because of TV show reasons, but one additional reason could be that someone could either seriously distrub or find a way to influence the draw if you did it in front of thousands of people attending the draft on site. So there are your "makes no sense" reasons.

People been running the Wemby draw through Computer vision AI to see if some of the balls fly around less randomly than others, and have found nothing. Its random.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI8jEtnd4_0
 
Park Bites said:
Wow 1 instance and you make it about everything. I didn't say that and I dont see how you jump from point A to point Z.
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So they rig them to random ends then? Like every year they convene somewhere wearing hooded robes and decide the fate of the draft in a secret freemason society kind of way?

No, its just strawman evidence to your confirmation bias because it fits your narrative. If they were to rig drafts, they certainly wouldnt care about player preferences and Wemby would be a Houston Rocket.
 
HermanG said:
What? You think the fact that they only post video of the drawing means the 40 people in the room are all in on the conspiracy and they reshot the video multiple times or something? The camera man also paid millions to not blow the whistle? Or is this cosa nostra type of thing where they threaten those involved with violence? All the teams are represented in the actual draw.

I would guess they dont wanna do it live because of TV show reasons, but one additional reason could be that someone could either seriously distrub or find a way to influence the draw if you did it in front of thousands of people attending the draft on site. So there are your "makes no sense" reasons.

People been running the Wemby draw through Computer vision AI to see if some of the balls fly around less randomly than others, and have found nothing. Its random.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI8jEtnd4_0
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Good points. I think it must be a magician/illusionist that helps them to set it up (heck, one of them could even be he said illusionist). Best of them can even trick cameras, not to talk about human eye itself.

Nevertheless, the Occam razor principle suggests it's rigged. The draft have been way too heavily favoring convenient teams; west side teams, big markets hand/or established franchises. The sample size could always be bigger, but as I predict this keeps going next few decades, it'll only strengthen the most likely state of things.

It's rigged. :)

But, all that said, I'd want to hear Penn & Teller's POV!
 
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HermanG said:
No I simply trust more authorities than just my own conspiracy filled thoughts.

Even with the most interesting player in the NBA (Wemby) added to the mix and their recent resurgence... these are the latest 2025 rankings for franchize values:
  • Forbes has Spurs at 19, Jazz at 24
  • CNBC has Spurs at 21, Jazz at 20
  • Hoopshype has Spurs at 20, Jazz at 21
  • USA Today has Spurs at 21, Jazz at 23

But I'm sure a guy in an internet forum knows better. Also btw Wemby has pulled them on the borderline between bottom 10 and middle 10... but THEY WERENT THERE before Wemby (which is what I referenced).
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You need to look at value to the league over time. They are not concerned with a single year, when things can get fickle, they care about the long haul. I previously posted an analysis showing the Spurs were like 8th in total revenue, including TV viewership estimates, for the past 20 or 25 years. The Jazz were something like 24th. I am sure the years the Jazz went to the finals they were in the top 10 in the league for revenue, but still lower in driving TV ratings, as I remember those years and was shocked that we were leading the league for record almost the entire year and yet we had like 3 nationally televised games but the Lakers, Mavs, Knicks, Spurs, Sonics, Rockets, Bulls (of course - Jordan), and others all had more. Even leading the league we didn't bring in viewers so unless we were playing a "popular" team we didn't get TV slots. We are a useful farm team, that is about it. Spurs are a known popular commodity over the long term. They are the better "investment" for talent, from the league's perspective when considering future TV contracts where the real money comes from. Simply put, more people want to watch the Spurs than the Jazz. Pretty much anyone except maybe the Pelicans will get watched more than the Jazz. So it doesn't pay to stack us with talent, unless we get lucky later in the draft, as with Mitchell and Gobert. Other than Mitchell being extremely dissatisfied and basically "quiet quitting" on the team in the playoffs (played ZERO defense), we would have been better off retooling around them and adding Hardy than hoping we could get a top pick to replace them.
 
LogGrad98 said:
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You need to look at value to the league over time. They are not concerned with a single year, when things can get fickle, they care about the long haul. I previously posted an analysis showing the Spurs were like 8th in total revenue, including TV viewership estimates, for the past 20 or 25 years. The Jazz were something like 24th. I am sure the years the Jazz went to the finals they were in the top 10 in the league for revenue, but still lower in driving TV ratings, as I remember those years and was shocked that we were leading the league for record almost the entire year and yet we had like 3 nationally televised games but the Lakers, Mavs, Knicks, Spurs, Sonics, Rockets, Bulls (of course - Jordan), and others all had more. Even leading the league we didn't bring in viewers so unless we were playing a "popular" team we didn't get TV slots. We are a useful farm team, that is about it. Spurs are a known popular commodity over the long term. They are the better "investment" for talent, from the league's perspective when considering future TV contracts where the real money comes from. Simply put, more people want to watch the Spurs than the Jazz. Pretty much anyone except maybe the Pelicans will get watched more than the Jazz. So it doesn't pay to stack us with talent, unless we get lucky later in the draft, as with Mitchell and Gobert. Other than Mitchell being extremely dissatisfied and basically "quiet quitting" on the team in the playoffs (played ZERO defense), we would have been better off retooling around them and adding Hardy than hoping we could get a top pick to replace them.
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Do a more simple assessment used daily in business world: Risk assessment.

If I succceed, I can theoretically gain lorn term benefit through a very complex earning model.

If I fail, I lose all credibility, league loses billions of revenue, I personally get fired and eternally haunted by media and me and the office ptobably have to fight multiple lawsuits (against owners, sponsors and everyone who rides the high horse and has a chance to gain money) for fraudlent activities.

Which one you choose?
 
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