If not Rubio then what?

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The floor general argument is baseless though. Last year the offense was better with Ricky off the floor. When we had Hill the offense was much better... he’s not a traditional pg... good shooter and very low turnover. We had Hayward who could play make as well as Ingles.

The offensive issues are exaggerated because everyone is shooting below their prior year averages on catch and shoot threes... but this particular slump for Ricky has me thinking that we shouldn’t consider this the long term fit. I just think we can be intentional about how we build. It’s clear Ricky was brought in at the advice of Gordon... we worked around it but it wasn’t the ideal fit. Per Andy Larsen... we had a good read on a deal for Lowry if we scrapped the Hayward pursuit... we had a deal for Bledsoe lined up but Gordon didn’t want to play with him.

Like if Ricky was still in Minny would he be a guy we’d go and get if we have the same basic core? I think that’d be a pretty clear no.

Hill is 100% a floor general, at least he was with Utah.

The offense runs better with Rubio. That doesnt mean the offense always produces better results with Rubio. He obviously gets in his own way with his deficiencies. When he is playing at his best he is a giant positive to the offense. Last season in 2018 the Jazz were a +7.2 with Rubio on offense and +1.9 on defense.

But I'm not making the argument for Rubio. I'm making an argument for a floor general type so Mitchell doesn't feed into his own worst tendencies, because you should maximize your best player's strengths, not try to turn them into something they aren't. Maxing out his usage rate is a TERRIBLE idea.

 

[MVP]

I would trade Exum for Hill in a second but I'm probably of the minority opinion there.

I would as well.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

We're not getting Korver.

Hill might be obtainable because of the size of his salary, that he likely doesn't figure into the longterm plans + he's expiring, and that the league is flush with starter-quality PGs (and we somehow don't have one). They should also probably tank this year.

I wouldn't know where to send Rubio though.

I would trade Exum for Hill in a second but I'm probably of the minority opinion there.

There are times when I want to trade Exum for Shelvin Mack.

 

[LoPo]

You are acting like I'm making an argument for Ricky, I'm not.

Cy, you've been rationalizing Rubio for a while now. Don't back down now.

 

[Jingled]

This thread makes 0 sense to me. Rubio is here to stay, the Jazz don’t have the run they had last season without him and now we all ready to ditch him or what. Lol

First of all, who says Ricky is here to stay? He's a free agent at the end of the season and I'll be very surprised if he's re-signed. You're right, if Rubio hadn't started knocking down shots last year we wouldn't have gone on the run we did to end the year. But if he hadn't been terrible the first half of the season we wouldn't have dug such a big hole for ourselves and been 9 games under .500 at one point. He's playing terrible again so far this season and you can see how it's negatively impacting the Jazz. When Rubio's good he helps out a ton but when he's bad he really hurts the team. So what are we supposed to do, re-sign him to a long term deal and hope that he'll have a 30-40 game stretch every season where he play's well and just accept the fact that he's going to be awful the rest of the time? What kind of a ceiling does this team have if their starting point guard is good half the time and absolutely awful half the time? And this is all assuming he's gonna get hot at some point every year and start playing well, that might not happen. His play the second half of last season may have been a complete fluke.

 

[LoPo]

If we begin the 2019-20 season with Rubio as our starting PG, DL might as well go ahead and trade Gobert, publicly apologize to Ingles for not trying harder, and plan on Mitchell leaving the first chance he gets.

If Rubio plays this way into January, we owe it to Ingles and Gobert to see what we can get for Rubio's expiring. One great half of a season should not mean unconditional love.

 

[NUMBERICA]

You are acting like I'm making an argument for Ricky, I'm not. And that's how you're pulling a Lopo.

Um.

The offense runs better with Rubio. That doesnt mean the offense always produces better results with Rubio.

Your gymnastics, man.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Um.

Your gymnastics, man.

What?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Me saying Rubi is our best PG option on our roster =/= me saying he is the long term answer.

 

[Jazzta]

First of all, who says Ricky is here to stay? He's a free agent at the end of the season and I'll be very surprised if he's re-signed. You're right, if Rubio hadn't started knocking down shots last year we wouldn't have gone on the run we did to end the year. But if he hadn't been terrible the first half of the season we wouldn't have dug such a big hole for ourselves and been 9 games under .500 at one point. He's playing terrible again so far this season and you can see how it's negatively impacting the Jazz. When Rubio's good he helps out a ton but when he's bad he really hurts the team. So what are we supposed to do, re-sign him to a long term deal and hope that he'll have a 30-40 game stretch every season where he play's well and just accept the fact that he's going to be awful the rest of the time? What kind of a ceiling does this team have if their starting point guard is good half the time and absolutely awful half the time? And this is all assuming he's gonna get hot at some point every year and start playing well, that might not happen. His play the second half of last season may have been a complete fluke.

I don’t understand how you can associate a fluke with a whole 1/2 season? Game after game he was proving that he could shoot and was putting up great numbers. The reason I think he’s staying is because he’s Quin’s guy. Every coach has one.

 

[NUMBERICA]

What?

You are tying yourself into pretzels.

'Rubio runs the offense well' is a complete non-sequitur when the offense suffers when he plays. It's ridiculous.

 

[Jingled]

I don’t understand how you can associate a fluke with a whole 1/2 season? Game after game he was proving that he could shoot and was putting up great numbers. The reason I think he’s staying is because he’s Quin’s guy. Every coach has one.

How do you figure he's Quins guy? I see Quin talking to Donovan and Joe during the game every bit as much as Ricky, if not more so.