right. i don't think i said that... did i?
Interesting trade idea from Locke
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right. i don't think i said that... did i?
theNBAnerd
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honestly, i'd rather have boozer for 6, and it isn't even close.
the Jazz might not have that choice anyway (and I bet they won't... goodbye Boozer). then what? if Boozer walks, do you like the deal any better?
Captain Keefe
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This has been brought up in another thread and I think it is a good point. The only real year the Brand contract would hurt us is year 2. We would be paying AK 18mil anyway this upcoming year so that is a wash and the 3rd year of his deal he would be a huge expiring contract to bring back hopefully some worthwhile assets (assuming the CBA remains somewhat the same). If he bounces back from the injuries it is icing on the cake. I say yes to get Turner.
Boozer's gone, dude. Jettison that entire aspect of your argument.
Also, I really don't think the Jazz are going to miss Headcase Drago. The difference in salary is actually closer to $30 million, not $50 million.
And the Jazz don't have to draft Turner. The 2nd pick is a hell of an asset that could be used to get something else (Lopez?, I'm sure NJ is more receptive considering they'd have their pick of two of Favors, Cousins, or Turner).
Also, I really don't think the Jazz are going to miss Headcase Drago. The difference in salary is actually closer to $30 million, not $50 million.
And the Jazz don't have to draft Turner. The 2nd pick is a hell of an asset that could be used to get something else (Lopez?, I'm sure NJ is more receptive considering they'd have their pick of two of Favors, Cousins, or Turner).
Gyp Rosetti
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I love Favors but why would the Nets trade Lopez, who's fairly proven, for a guy who's not like Favors or the biggest lock to be a bust in the last 10 years, DeMarcus Cousins.
gregbroncs
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Those teams built through the Draft and by making smart trades. They only used Free agency to fill in the gaps. Building through Free Agency usually means your paying Mercedes prices for a used Hyundai. Not one of your examples built the core of their team through Free Agency they used the draft. Whether it was lucky or smart does not matter they used the draft and trades to build not free agents. So next time you want to bash my post go ahead and use examples that disprove it instead of strengthening it.
here are the key players on the two teams playing in the finals right now:
garnett: trade
allen: trade
pierce: 10th pick in the draft
rondo: 21st pick
davis: 35th pick
perkins: 27th pick
sheed: free agent
kobe: 13th pick
gasol: trade
odom: trade
artest: free agent
bynum: 10th pick
fisher: 24th pick
seems like these two teams were built using trades, free agents and low draft picks, in the same part of the draft the jazz have been picking in year after year.
after this draft the jazz will have TWO players that were picked higher than every one of those guys above.
What if we traded Okur + CJ + #9 + Memphis pick (which I believe is only a second rounder) for the Brand and #2 (Evan Turner). I do not think Boozer will resign with us nor do I want him to. Deron and Evan would give us the best backcourt in the league. Brand, Milsap and AK could reak havock defensively and I believe would give us many options offensively as well. AK's salary ends after one year, hopefully he signs for cheap giving the Jazz the space they need to be legit contenders. I believe this is better than the Trading AK deal because Memo's contract is longer and his skills are depreciating much quicker than AK's
Lineup
DWill, Price
Turner, Wesley Mathews, Price
AK, Wesley Mathews
Millsap, AK
Brand, Koufus
This would potentially be a better club than we put on the floor last year. We could be hamstringing ourselves if Brand never comes around but we've already done that with Okur anyways. At least were taking a chance rather than continuing to swim in mediocrity.
To fill out our roster we should buy additional picks from willing clubs. It seems that they've been really cheap in the last few years.
Lineup
DWill, Price
Turner, Wesley Mathews, Price
AK, Wesley Mathews
Millsap, AK
Brand, Koufus
This would potentially be a better club than we put on the floor last year. We could be hamstringing ourselves if Brand never comes around but we've already done that with Okur anyways. At least were taking a chance rather than continuing to swim in mediocrity.
To fill out our roster we should buy additional picks from willing clubs. It seems that they've been really cheap in the last few years.
BENTLEY
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I actually like this. I don't know what Philly'd take to get out from under Brand's contract, but I'd rather not include the #9 pick. And I like hanging onto AK. Okur is injured but his contract is shorter than Brand's and half the cost. Maybe they'd do it. I wonder how attractive CJ is to them.
Gyp Rosetti
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What does Philly get out of this? Okur's lovely contract? The #9 pick? C'mon. They're not giving up the #2 for this. This is a strong draft and their fans would go ****ing ballistic if they traded away the #2 pick and the opportunity to draft Turner who's very marketable and would be a major ticket seller.
gregbroncs
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2 Players on your teams picked up through Free Agency and they are both older complimentary players and NOT THE MAIN GUYS. Again you prove my point for me. The Jazz will have 2 players picked above those guys but most of those trades were made using picks as good as or better than the ones Utah has had. Also both of those teams have 3 or more guys that they picked up via the 1st round. The Jazz meanwhile have 1 rotation player that was even a 1st round pick by anybody.
You seem to think I said trades are not the way to build a team and I did not. Trades are a great way to build a team. Free Agency is absolutely not the way to build a team. It can be used for a few player's not for the bulk of your lineup. You need to be smart in the draft, especially as a small market team like the Jazz.