The Fresh Prince
Well-Known Member
Jackson has too much of that NYer in him, that's why he is such a *******.
Is Mark Jackson a good fit for the Jazz?
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The bias on this site against Jackson is unbelievable. They almost beat the Clipppers - now that is a team that is stacked, not the Warriors. Yes, the Warriors have a good roster but without Bogut they are very thin up front. With Bogut, I believe they would've beaten the Clippers. Ty is not in the same league as a coach as Jackson, not even close. But it's not that important for me to continue this argument. People on this site hate Jackson because of the problems he caused when he played for the Jazz, which causes their bias. To be honest, I think some of the points Jackson made about the team when he was playing for the Jazz were actually on the money. But probably it's the way he presented them that caused all the problems. I did see the post that said he wanted to take over the starting role from Stockton -- I don't recall that at the time, and in any case, Stockton was still a better player and Jackson had no business starting over him. When Jackson played, however, he did play well. I think people tend to forget that. Of course, their bias blinds them to any semblance of truth.
or the truth leads to the bias. Maybe you are biased against fans that are biased.
As to the Corbin comparison, I'm 100% certain Corbin could have coached this years GSW to a first round exit. I'm pretty sure coaching Al and Sap to a first round exit proved he can do that with less talent than GSW have now.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Read what Lacob said about Jackson. The problems are not with Jackson's coaching abilities. A quote from Lacob: "I think that the decision to not bring Mark back is not willy-nilly. There is a reason. There are reasons. I would say it’s less based on performance that is win-loss record and perhaps slightly more based on overall philosophy." Lacob actually praised his "managing down" and says he has a great relationship with players. Lacob's criticism is on his "up" and "sideways" management. Jackson simply does not get along with his superiors, colleagues and others in the W's organization - and that dates back to last season. Maybe Jackson is right and he's the type that "doesn't suffer fools." But to get away with that approach, you need to have titles on your resume; then you can stop talking to assistants, fire them at will, voice disapproval over West attending practices, etc.
https://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawak...ions-ownership-pressure-and-demands-and-more/
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Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Wow, what I DIDN'T know about Jackson...
I know he's religious, obviously. But what I've read since is the W's actually had 2 team buses going to games. Half the team would head to Jackson's religious service first before games. The other half of the team would go to the game in a separate bus. This is much more than players gathering at midfield for a pre-game prayer (as happens in the NFL). I have nothing against players attending religious services. But to have those services be organized and held by the coach? I think many players would feel pressured to attend, even if they didn't hold the same beliefs - worried over playing time or future status on the team.
Imagine the outcry on this board if we had a coach taking half the players to the LDS General Conference. Imagine the reaction of the players' union.
I know he's religious, obviously. But what I've read since is the W's actually had 2 team buses going to games. Half the team would head to Jackson's religious service first before games. The other half of the team would go to the game in a separate bus. This is much more than players gathering at midfield for a pre-game prayer (as happens in the NFL). I have nothing against players attending religious services. But to have those services be organized and held by the coach? I think many players would feel pressured to attend, even if they didn't hold the same beliefs - worried over playing time or future status on the team.
Imagine the outcry on this board if we had a coach taking half the players to the LDS General Conference. Imagine the reaction of the players' union.
Did the players and coaches that went to the service get more playing time and not get sent to coach in the d-league?
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Don't know. But the mere fact that a head coach is also holding religious services for his players is alarming and should be cause for investigation. Doubt playing time is affected; you're not going to sit a starter just because he's a "heathen' in the eyes of the coach. But it may very well have affected Jackson's relationships with his assistants. And it could be a factor as decisions are made over bench players going into each season (if Mark has a voice). IMO, there's a HUGE difference between being religious and even attending a pre-game prayer with any players who want to participate vs. being the one holding/conducting actual services as the minister and transporting players to those services.
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This could be the major reason they let Jackson go. All the other reasons they gave are just excuses for something they're not revealing.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
They used to have a game on one of the LA radio stations where they would play a phrase from Jesse Jackson and you'd have to guess what the hell he was talking about. It was freakin' hilarious. I think the same can be said of Mark Jackson. Here are a couple of quotes from his post-firing interview with Dan Patrick.
"Things had to change," Jackson said, and then he elaborated on how he felt undermined by ex-members of his staff.
"What happens is, in this business, you got assistants are people who all of a sudden see, if I say we should've did this and I say we should've did that, all of a sudden I might move up the charts," Jackson said. "So you create an environment where people begin to just give a little bit of gray area, and who knows? And that's not fair to anybody. And it's unfortunate, but there's a reason that what happened with my two guys happened. That's just a fact."
And then there's this one from Mark Jackson, reverend and amateur OB/GYN doctor:
"I had a lot invested," Jackson said. "I talked about it in my meeting. The unfortunate thing is the pregnancy happened, the baby was carried for nine months or for three years, they watched the labor pains and being in the hospital and somebody else is going sit there and be able to grab the head of the baby when it's born."
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-o...kson-on-dan-patrick-show-things-had-to-change
"Things had to change," Jackson said, and then he elaborated on how he felt undermined by ex-members of his staff.
"What happens is, in this business, you got assistants are people who all of a sudden see, if I say we should've did this and I say we should've did that, all of a sudden I might move up the charts," Jackson said. "So you create an environment where people begin to just give a little bit of gray area, and who knows? And that's not fair to anybody. And it's unfortunate, but there's a reason that what happened with my two guys happened. That's just a fact."
And then there's this one from Mark Jackson, reverend and amateur OB/GYN doctor:
"I had a lot invested," Jackson said. "I talked about it in my meeting. The unfortunate thing is the pregnancy happened, the baby was carried for nine months or for three years, they watched the labor pains and being in the hospital and somebody else is going sit there and be able to grab the head of the baby when it's born."
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-o...kson-on-dan-patrick-show-things-had-to-change
