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Is Quin blowing it with Dante?

**** development right now. You play and help win or you don't. Maybe Exum can contribute, but you don't put winning on the line in hopes that whatever it is that you said that makes sense to you.
 
NAOS said:
post all-star break? You mean, for the stretch of games in which Mack was injured?

You Exum fanboys are nuts. I haven't given up on the kid (far from it), but acting like he obviously belongs in this series is just dumb
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RPM says Exum was marginally better than Mack over the duration of the year - and wayyyyyyy better defensively.

Mind you Neto was better than both (caveat being very small sample size - less than 400 minutes for Neto).
 
Ellis269 said:
Minutes - especially playoff minutes - have to be earned. Exum has shown some good things this year as he returned from injury. . . but there's still a lot of room for improvement. There have been a number of games where his inexperience and poor shooting has hurt the team. If he plays. . . great. It means that Quin trusts him not to **** everything up.
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Doesn't seem to apply to Mack.
 
Exum is a pg - who hasn't played well offensively in that position overall.
He hasn't got a sufficient run at that position overall, and has the potential to get to the line, the rim and distribute.

If the coaching stuff want to convert him into a 3D guy - Exum should be traded. Someone will give up something for him.
 
NAOS said:
post all-star break? You mean, for the stretch of games in which Mack was injured?

You Exum fanboys are nuts. I haven't given up on the kid (far from it), but acting like he obviously belongs in this series is just dumb
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I guess Snyder was dumb for playing him then? You do realize he played right? You do realize he did alright and played pretty good defense on a very hot Crawford right? Also I said he was statistically better for the entire season not just post all star, so don't try and twist my words to help prove your point. It gets more in favor of Exum when you look post all star but that isn't needed. Also you can look at what Exum did post all star and it is better than anything Mack has done ever in his career.
 
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All three back-up PGs suck! None of them would give the Jazz any "advantage", so to speak, while on court. Mack thinks he is a scorer and is slow as molasses on defense. Exum doesn't do anything well and is impaired by a lack of intensity and/or concentration - even on defense -, which pretty much negates any advantage that his alledged athleticism brings. Although Neto is intense, he's also too limited in every way.

The discussion about which of them should play more is like debating whether one should prefer to have food poisoning by eating rotten meat or by drinking toilet water.

IMO, none of the three back-up PGs should play at all, if possible. It is clear that Hill can't play the whole 48 minutes, but it also doesn't make sense keeping saving Hill. Saving him for what? For a long vacation after being elimated in the first round? Hill should play as much as possible, matching up against Paul every second Paul is on the floor. When Paul is out, the Jazz can use a bigger line-up. Either Hood, Hayward or even Joe Johnson can bring the ball up court and initiate the offense. Defensively, Hood or Hayward may be able to match up against Feldon, who is quite fat at this point, or Austin Rivers, who is really limited and is coming from injury.
 
He looked decent last night in short minutes, but he's still wet behind the ears and as others have said, this is not the time to be thinking about development. We've got a legitimate chance to win this series against a very game Clippers team and have a go at the Golden State Goliaths where one win is a moral victory and a series win is epic history making (gotta love those odds). Anyway, why do we always feel as though we have to justify our fifth round draft pick in 2014. I'm probably in the minority here but I feel like Neto has surpassed him at the point guard position. Which is not to say that I've given up on Exum, as he has more versatility (at the two) and has more upside long term.
 
This is one of those threads where the title always reads wrong in my head. Looks like it says "Is Quin Blowing Dante?" Anyway, carry on...
 
Snyder coaches young players very hard. I think he believes if his young players can handle such harshness and discipline, they'll maximize their potential and become tougher individuals in the process. If they cannot handle, they're not tough anyway and hence can't be relied upon in the long term. This approach has produced Rudy Gobert and Hayward of today but may also have caused Lyles and Exum's struggles.

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jjscap said:
Snyder coaches young players very hard. I think he believes if his young players can handle such harshness and discipline, they'll maximize their potential and become tougher individuals in the process. If they cannot handle, they're not tough anyway and hence can't be relied upon in the long term. This approach has produced Rudy Gobert and Hayward of today but may also have caused Lyles and Exum's struggles.

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He has a variety of approaches. But, yes, he generally treats them like men who are trying to be great within an ultra-competitive environment.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I guess Snyder was dumb for playing him then? You do realize he played right? You do realize he did alright and played pretty good defense on a very hot Crawford right? Also I said he was statistically better for the entire season not just post all star, so don't try and twist my words to help prove your point. It gets more in favor of Exum when you look post all star but that isn't needed. Also you can look at what Exum did post all star and it is better than anything Mack has done ever in his career.
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I was gonna respond, but... see below

Saint Cy of JFC said:
If Exum wants to be a PG he needs to learn to dribble.
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I've been saying this since his return. His handle is waaaay behind schedule.

He's also inconsistent at every aspect of the game right now. I'm not concerned to let him iron out much of that stuff during the freaking playoffs.
 
Overall Mack is not very good, especially his defense is much weaker than either Dante or Neto. However, one thing that Mack possesses is that he seems to elevate his game in clutch situations. He is not afraid to take a shot or go to the basket, and he has actually won games for the Jazz this year in doing so. Of course, I also think this is not something that should compel us to keep him long term.
 
NAOS said:
I was gonna respond, but... see below



I've been saying this since his return. His handle is waaaay behind schedule.

He's also inconsistent at every aspect of the game right now. I'm not concerned to let him iron out much of that stuff during the freaking playoffs.
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Ironically, I feel like his handle is great when he is going lightning fast, and terrible when he slows down. He still has a lot of potential, but honestly I don't think anyone knows what type of player he is going to be.

The things I THINK Dante can do are:
quick first step
Great defense
Potential for spot up shooting

He also struggles with those off and on, so there is no being sure of anything at this point.
 
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