Is this the years DM finally sheds

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  1. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Not at all.
     
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  2. TheStormofWar

    TheStormofWar Well-Known Member

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    FWIW, I changed the OP. Rather not cause a prob.
     
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  3. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Nah, I’m harassing colton about his compliment/complement pet peeve.

    There was actually a recent Jazz article I meant to tag him in that actually got it backwards from how it typically is used (they were actually meaning to say someone receiving compliments but used the e.... now I need to go dig it up for him...)
     
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  4. TheStormofWar

    TheStormofWar Well-Known Member

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    lol Fair enough then.
     
  5. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Here it is:

    https://www.deseretnews.com/article...-of-nbas-deepest-rosters-for-next-season.html

    @colton
     
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  6. Thee jazz fan

    Thee jazz fan Well-Known Member

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    The fact that he won’t have to carry the full load leads me to think he’ll score more, the fact that he was over 20 the past two years tells me he is an elite scorer considering all the attention he received with constant double and triple teams. He’s going to have more room. It wouldn’t surprise me if he were anywhere between 25-30 pts. I also think it leads to more ft’s. It will be Conley’s and Bogie that see a decrease in scoring, not Mitchell, I also think Goberts scoring goes up as well
     
  7. TheStormofWar

    TheStormofWar Well-Known Member

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    I don't think Conley and Bogey will see much of a drop. Maybe 15 to 17 for Bogey and 17 to 20 for Conley. Rudy should probably be the same, or see a slight uptick as Conley is so effective in PnR situations. If Donovan levels at 24 PPG with a bit better efficiency overall, this team will be wrecking everything in its path. If we see Donovan at, say, 27 ppg? It will make the bombing of Hamburg look tame by comparison.
     
  8. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    double and triple teams? He gets a lot of attention, but that's an exaggeration. I think he will be more efficient but shoot less shots per game. I think his assists could go way up maybe around 6 a game because when he passes out it will be to shooters or to a rolling Rudy in space. I think turnovers go down and percentages go up, but if things are running properly I'm not sure he averages 25-30.
     
  9. jumpin bean

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    It’s more difficult to score as a point guard with the whole defense waiting for you to drive to the basket. He won’t have that problem with Conley running point. His shots will be more easier than he has had in a jazz uni with the defense having to defend more players making DM a great scorer and an all star this season
     
  10. Thee jazz fan

    Thee jazz fan Well-Known Member

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    Points will be easier to come by, and he will shoot more ft’s and be more efficient, others on the team will defer to Mitchell. He will score more
     
  11. LoPo

    LoPo Well-Known Member

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    #1 - dumb thread

    #2 - he's not a chucker

    #3 - some efficiency numbers just don't tell the whole truth. How many times a game does Donovan get the ball about 60+ feet from the basket and he heaves the ball towards the basket hoping to make a full court shot? It happens more than once a game for the games I watch. He gets it with seconds left and just hopefully throws the ball up. But for the sake of argument, let's just say he does it once a game.

    In his career, he has taken 1069 three pointers in 156 regular season games. He has made 375 for a 35.1% career 3 point %.

    Take away one 3 pointer a game that is a desperation attempt. Let's say we only consider the 3 pointers which he takes that are realistic attempts. Not heaves. I'm even counting the ones when he gets stuck by some teammate and has to heave to beat the clock.

    So 1069 attempts - 156 (1 attempt per game) =913. So 913 3's he takes are 3's he actually is taking with a decent expectation that he's trying to make it.

    You know what 375 made 3's in 913 attempts is? 41.1%. If you asked me, this is closer to his "true 3pt %". Why? Because most star players don't try to make full court shots once a game. They care more about their stats than the very low chance that they actually make the full court shot.
     
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  12. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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  13. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    Maybe... Conley and Bojan have higher usages and take more shots than the dudes they are replacing. If he takes a couple less shots per game being more efficient may leave him around the same numbers by volume... adding another assist per game and limiting turnovers with the other scorers we’ve added will have us as a great damn offensive team.
     
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  14. NUMBERICA

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    I have generally felt that he could slightly increase his scoring output while also taking fewer field goal attempts with the right people around him and I think that happens this year. If that does happen, that is a seriously substantial improvement to the team offense by itself.

    He has a perfect set of complementary pieces now, where before he had few (if any, in the big picture).
     
  15. Monte666

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    When your running with Rubio, since you don't have to play defense against him outside 3 feet of the rim. Even then he might brick the layup you automatically have a double team on anyone with the ball. Efficiency should automatically go up. For the whole team

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  16. Chili V

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    Young players take a while to become efficient. Donovan is amazing for his age and experience. Here is some food for thought. Look at the stat line below, it was the 4th year for this guy. Very similar to Donovan's 2nd year. Only real difference is free throws.

    Mystery player
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    Donovan
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    Who is the mystery guy? None other than James Harden. Who is now one of the most efficient players... ever. This was his first year in Houston when he first had to carry the load.
     
  17. DasJazz

    DasJazz Well-Known Member

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    Your face is a chucker.
     
  18. Douchebag K

    Douchebag K Well-Known Member

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    Don’t take this personally dude. But you’re a ****ing imbecile
     
  19. colton

    colton All Around Nice Guy Staff Member

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  20. colton

    colton All Around Nice Guy Staff Member

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    *complement

    @infection does that make you happy?
     
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