Israel-Hamas War
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Douchebag K
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you make a good point
Red
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I’m no military mind, but since people were understandably upset at how long it took Israel’s forces to arrive, maybe had they been closer….
Red
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Not easy reading….
www.thesun.co.uk
“Israeli police have opened up the biggest investigation into sexual violence and crimes against women ever in the nation.
The leader of the investigation Shelly Harush said: “It’s clear now that sexual crimes were part of the planning and the purpose was to terrify and humiliate people."
Police have collected thousands of statements, photographs and video clips that have been called unbearable to watch from a mother's perspective and include “girls whose pelvises were broken they had been raped so much”.
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I saw Hamas terrorists beat & rape woman before shooting her dead in massacre
A SURVIVOR of the October 7 massacre has opened up about the horrifying things he’s witnessed Hamas terrorists do to young, innocent women since the beginning of the brutal war. The man told …
www.thesun.co.uk
“Israeli police have opened up the biggest investigation into sexual violence and crimes against women ever in the nation.
The leader of the investigation Shelly Harush said: “It’s clear now that sexual crimes were part of the planning and the purpose was to terrify and humiliate people."
Police have collected thousands of statements, photographs and video clips that have been called unbearable to watch from a mother's perspective and include “girls whose pelvises were broken they had been raped so much”.
New signs emerge of 'widespread' sexual crimes by Hamas, as Netanyahu alleges global indifference
New testimony and evidence gathered by a rights groups indicate that Hamas militants carried out widespread sexual and gender-based crimes during their Oct. 7 attack in southern Israel.
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George W
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Accurate. Don't forget to mention that this left wing government's reign was impacted by the assassination of Yitzakh Rabin in 1995 by right-wing Israeli extremists that are now openly praised by members of Bibi's cabinet. Furthermore, the 2-state solution has since been rendered impossible due to the zeal with which the illegal settlement campaign that has proceeded in the West Bank. Unless one of you could show me a map of a two state solution that every Israeli wouldn't laugh and tear apart.
In addition, supporting this dividing of Palestinian leadership has been an openly-embraced strategy by the Israeli government, who has rightfully prioritized the annexation and engulfment of the West Bank. Of course, we now see the consequences of this hubris.
- George
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George W
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1) Palestinians are not responsible for the Holocaust -- why are they bearing the burden for European crimes against humanity?
2) With this mindset, Zionists need to stop talking about what is and isn't colonization, or apartheid. Which -- perhaps this is fair to you! But in this discussion I want you to consider where do you fit in the voice of the Palestinian who had nothing to do with the concentration camps, and are now forcibly evicted with no right to return?
3) For the record, thousands of non-gentiles worldwide are risking their lives protesting against this apartheid regime and the tens of thousands of civilians they are murdering, because they are suspecting that tethering a religion to a genocidal regime is actually bad for a religious populace in the long-term.
4) Zionist Jews are also not the only arbiter of what is or isn't anti-Semitism. Is supporting right-wing Nazi governments who otherwise support Israel anti-Semitic? Do right wing Israeli movements knowingly worsen tensions for diasporic Jews worldwide in order to justify migration towards Israel -- and if so, is this anti-Semitic?
5) A nation's right to exist is weakened when it resorts to tens of thousands of murdered civilians in order to sustain it. Growingly, the global opinion is recognizing this as well. I suspect the response will be further commitment into war crimes.
- George
Not to sound callous but this war in Gaza is a handy distraction for the crisis ridden Netanyahu government.
Al-O-Meter
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Taking these nazi talking points one by one:
For those who think themselves safe from this type of targeting on account of not being Jewish, maybe you should start paying attention to how these same groups are now starting to target Christmas tree lighting ceremonies. These rape and murder apologists/supporters like George are a cancer. It doesn't help to not condemn it due to the adherents being primarily on the political left. Most leftists do not agree with George W's opinion. Say something.
The Palestinians are bearing the burden of allowing the perpetrators of the October 7 rapes and murders to use them as human shields. The Palestinians are bearing the burden of refusing every peace agreement ever offered. The Palestinians are bearing the burden of initiating wars and losing, including wars the Palestinians initiated against Jordan and Syria.
This entire narrative is fiction. The only part that is true is the forcible eviction, but it wasn't from Israel. Initially the forcibly evicted were from Egypt along with Palestinian leader Yassir Arafat who himself was born in Egypt. Then Yassir Arafat led the Palestinians to attack King Hussein in Jordan and lost. King Hussein then forcibly evicted tens of thousands of Jordanian citizens who were ethnically Palestinian. The same happened in Syria a decade later. Only a tiny percentage of those in the West Bank or Gaza Strip had parents or grandparents who ever resided in what is now Israel proper and nearly every one of those left of their own free will to aid the Arab armies in 1967.
It is worse in Europe but even here in America there was a mob in Philadelphia a few days ago that gathered outside a restaurant to chant how they were complicit in genocide due to being owned by a Jewish family. That mob wasn't brave. The mob wasn't risking their lives. There is nothing remotely noble about threatening Jewish families or students in America simply for being Jews.
I couldn't have put the modern nazi mindset any more succinctly. Nazis are claiming the Jews are controlling their levers of power to make angry mobs "worsen tensions for diasporic Jews worldwide in order to justify migration towards Israel". If a young girl was raped so much that her pelvis was broken then that is the fault of the Jews. If a family owned restaurant in Philadelphia was threatened it was the fault of the Jews. It is always the fault of the Jew in their mind and those opposing the Jews are valiantly "risking their lives".
This is where we finally agree. The Palestinians who hide behind civilians and build infrastructure for making war beneath hospitals have no right to demand their nation exist. They are the worst kind of scum. There is a reason Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Israel are all refusing to take them.
For those who think themselves safe from this type of targeting on account of not being Jewish, maybe you should start paying attention to how these same groups are now starting to target Christmas tree lighting ceremonies. These rape and murder apologists/supporters like George are a cancer. It doesn't help to not condemn it due to the adherents being primarily on the political left. Most leftists do not agree with George W's opinion. Say something.
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George W
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Please bow out, and the adults of the forum have a conversation on this topic. The Palestinian dehumanizing rhetoric worked in a pre-2021 world, but the jig is up. You’re on the losing team.
- George
George W
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not to sound callous but his more liberal counterparts would be dropping bombs on Palestinian babies with similar zeal.
- George
Al-O-Meter
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Nazism was stronger back in the late 1930's but we beat you back then and if forced to do so we'll beat you again.
Douchebag K
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eh you're kind of full of **** with this attitude and a lot of the rest of what you say. You're completely about one narrative and nothing else
Biden accuses Israel of indiscriminate bombing:
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www.reuters.com
Biden says Netanyahu must change, Israel losing global support
U.S. President Joe Biden said on Tuesday that Israel is losing support over its "indiscriminate" bombing of Gaza and that Benjamin Netanyahu should change, exposing a new rift in relations with the Israeli prime minister.
www.reuters.com
Al-O-Meter
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Propaganda. Here is the important line of the article: "Biden's remarks, made to donors to his 2024 re-election campaign..."Biden accuses Israel of indiscriminate bombing:
Biden says Netanyahu must change, Israel losing global support
U.S. President Joe Biden said on Tuesday that Israel is losing support over its "indiscriminate" bombing of Gaza and that Benjamin Netanyahu should change, exposing a new rift in relations with the Israeli prime minister.
The part of Israel's incursion using heavy bombing in Gaza already wrapped up. There is still plenty of fighting but it isn't the heavy bombing of the early days. Israel has brought in some huge pumps to flood all tunnels with Mediterranean sea water. Most are unaware the operation has entered this new phase because the images aren't as compelling as the earlier images of explosions. Biden's remarks weren't targeted to have Israel change anything. It isn't Israel losing support but rather Joe Biden that is losing support, and that makes me sad because his staunch support for Israel in this time has been the thing I've admired about him most.
The remarks critical of Israel came after recent polling showed Biden losing to Trump in areas he previously won, areas that have a large Muslim population like Michigan, home of Rashida Tlaib.
Muslim leaders in swing states pledge to ‘abandon’ Biden over his refusal to call for ceasefire
Warnings that president stance on the war risks losing support of community in states critical to his chances for re-election
www.theguardian.com
That isn't to say Biden is turning his back on Israel but he is making content such as the article above to appeal to the nazi crowd. In a different event Biden got on stage to affirm that he was a Zionist.
'I'm a Zionist': Biden reaffirms support for Israel
www.politico.com
I chalk it all up to it being election season and politicians saying whatever they think will get them elected.
Propaganda. Here is the important line of the article: "Biden's remarks, made to donors to his 2024 re-election campaign..."
The part of Israel's incursion using heavy bombing in Gaza already wrapped up. There is still plenty of fighting but it isn't the heavy bombing of the early days. Israel has brought in some huge pumps to flood all tunnels with Mediterranean sea water. Most are unaware the operation has entered this new phase because the images aren't as compelling as the earlier images of explosions. Biden's remarks weren't targeted to have Israel change anything. It isn't Israel losing support but rather Joe Biden that is losing support, and that makes me sad because his staunch support for Israel in this time has been the thing I've admired about him most.
The remarks critical of Israel came after recent polling showed Biden losing to Trump in areas he previously won, areas that have a large Muslim population like Michigan, home of Rashida Tlaib.
Muslim leaders in swing states pledge to ‘abandon’ Biden over his refusal to call for ceasefire
Warnings that president stance on the war risks losing support of community in states critical to his chances for re-election
That isn't to say Biden is turning his back on Israel but he is making content such as the article above to appeal to the nazi crowd. In a different event Biden got on stage to affirm that he was a Zionist.
'I'm a Zionist': Biden reaffirms support for Israel
I chalk it all up to it being election season and politicians saying whatever they think will get them elected.
He may be playing both sides of the issue as you say but accusing Israel of indiscriminate bombing is a surprisingly strong condemnation coming from a US President. It's probably front page news around the world.
Engorged On Unborn Gore
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Red card for false equivalence. If you're going to argue about this, please be intellectually honest.
Red
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“The ambush in Gaza City showed Hamas is still able to fight in some of the hardest-hit areas more than two and a half months into a massive air and ground war aimed at destroying its military capabilities. Israel has imposed a total siege on northern Gaza and flattened much of it, forcing most of the population to flee south several weeks ago.
Hamas’ resilience has called into question whether Israel can defeat it without wiping out Gaza. Support for Hamas has surged among Palestinians — in part because of the militant group’s stiff resistance to a far more powerful foe — while Israel’s most important ally, the U.S., has expressed growing discomfort over civilian deaths in what is already one of the 21st century’s most devastating military campaigns.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed to fight to the end, “even given the great pain and the international pressure,” saying late Wednesday that “nothing will stop us.”
apnews.com
Hamas’ resilience has called into question whether Israel can defeat it without wiping out Gaza. Support for Hamas has surged among Palestinians — in part because of the militant group’s stiff resistance to a far more powerful foe — while Israel’s most important ally, the U.S., has expressed growing discomfort over civilian deaths in what is already one of the 21st century’s most devastating military campaigns.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed to fight to the end, “even given the great pain and the international pressure,” saying late Wednesday that “nothing will stop us.”
Israel vows to fight on in Gaza despite deadly ambush and rising international pressure
Israel has vowed to keep fighting in Gaza until it crushes Hamas after one of the deadliest single battles of the war for its soldiers, even as it faces mounting international calls for a cease-fire and unease on the part of its closest ally, the United States.
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Al-O-Meter
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Venture outside your bubble. This problem is rooted in Palestinian-Nazi collaboration. The leader of Palestinian nationalism following the reveal of the Peel Partition Plan in 1937 was Haj Admin al-Husseini, the former Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. With the outbreak of WWII, Haj Admin al-Husseini was an actual Nazi, in Germany, working for Adolf.
Part of al-Husseini’s role was Muslim recruitment to the Nazi cause and crafting propaganda aimed at the Arab world. The whole concept of ‘from the river to the sea…’ is Nazi propaganda from al-Husseini. It is a Nazi slogan. It is not Arab or Islamic in origin. If you look at the Qur’an itself, the profit Muhammed says the Land of Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people, that God/Allah himself gave that land to them.
Following WWII, real Heil Hitlering Nazi Haj Admin al-Husseini once again took on the mantle of leading the push for Palestinian nationalism, used the contacts he groomed during his time in service of the Nazi war effort to form a militia called al-Jihad al-Muqaddas, and helped facilitate the formation of the Arab League. He led the al-Jihad al-Muqaddas in a terror campaign to kill Jews while the British were acting as peacekeepers. The British ended the mandate at midnight at the end of May 14, 1948. Within hours the forces of the Arab League, containing armies from 7 Arab nations, blitzkrieged in to the Jewish areas.
The “Nakba”, the catastrophe, the creating of the Palestinian refugees, that is May 15. That is the day in 1948 the armies of the Arab League stormed in to the Jewish areas to kill all the Jews. The war the Arab Palestinians were fleeing was the one architected by the Arab League. The story of Jews pushing them out is a revisionist false narrative. Those who today echo the Nazi rhetoric of “from the river to the sea…” and idealize those events to paint the Palestinians as victims are the Lost Causers of the Nazis. That is not a false equivalence. Many may not know that, but then many do not know what river and what sea they are chanting about.
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