Its Time to Tank

[Korisfani]

Who said anyone should sit out the rest of the season?

Several people here, just look back a few pages. Yeah, some are calling to sit out on b2bs only. But then they're also calling to go 5-22 the rest of the way. Sitting out a couple of b2bs gets you probably one extra loss and doesn't move any needles.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Fair points.

How about if we end up in play-in and get eliminated?

For me... thats okay if we cashed in on some vets and did it with the younger guys.

Or if we dont trade all those guys?

Depends on what is on the table. If we only moved Vando at this point I'd be pissed. I think Vando and Malik is more likely what we see. If we had opportunities to move Mike for the Lakers deal and didn't do it cuz we were too greedy I'd be upset and think its a mistake.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Several people here, just look back a few pages. Yeah, some are calling to sit out on b2bs only. But then they're also calling to go 5-22 the rest of the way. Sitting out a couple of b2bs gets you probably one extra loss and doesn't move any needles.

We can't go 5-22 by planning but a few extra losses sitting guys very well could move the needle... if combined with a trade or two. That group is just so bunched up. last few games you can shut guys down or go to very low minutes as well. The margins are pretty thin here.

After a trade sitting out Lauri one game and JC another will lead to two losses. So maybe its only 2-3 games for each guy but those games are almost guaranteed to be losses.

 

[Eddie Zero]

I’m definitely of the “pro-tank” mindset - in that I want the team to trade players they’re not keeping long-term and accumulate as much draft capital as possible. DA has set this rebuild up perfectly, and if he nails things in the next few days it will greatly help the chances of building a contender.

Lets say they do trade all the vets or two of them. What makes you think Ainge is going to trade for a player or players that are worse ut paid the same?
I think it is highly unlikely Danny trades for a lesser player, just for yet another draft pick. Now he might trade for a player or players he thinks are being boxed in where they are, and will do better here. But that also makes the Jazz better not tanker worse.

 

[Nate505]

I was going to say the tank is dead, but if they put in crappy uninspired performances like they did last night, it could easily come back from the dead.

Of course if that's the case, the players on the team aren't worth a **** and it's going to be a super long rebuild.

 

[fishonjazz]

Fair points.

How about if we end up in play-in and get eliminated?

Or if we dont trade all those guys?

I think if we dont trade old dudes then the tankers, hell even many of the non tankers, will be upset. Obviously.

If we lose in the play in game then that is worst case scenario. But again, if management does everything they can to tank and that is the result then i think the tankers would understand that nothing could be done about it and wouldnt throw a fit other to maybe point out we should have traded the old dudes sooner.


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[fishonjazz]

Several people here, just look back a few pages. Yeah, some are calling to sit out on b2bs only. But then they're also calling to go 5-22 the rest of the way. Sitting out a couple of b2bs gets you probably one extra loss and doesn't move any needles.

Can you quote a post of someone saying that any player should sit out the rest of the season?


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[fishonjazz]

Lets say they do trade all the vets or two of them. What makes you think Ainge is going to trade for a player or players that are worse ut paid the same?
I think it is highly unlikely Danny trades for a lesser player, just for yet another draft pick. Now he might trade for a player or players he thinks are being boxed in where they are, and will do better here. But that also makes the Jazz better not tanker worse.

So are you asking if posters would be upset if danny traded conley for a draft pick AND a player who is BETTER than conely? Pretty obvious answer to that question imo.

If we trade old dudes for picks and also dont get a lesser player then that just means that danny fleeced another team or teams again. Everyone rejoices in that scenario

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[HermanG]

For me... thats okay if we cashed in on some vets and did it with the younger guys.

Depends on what is on the table. If we only moved Vando at this point I'd be pissed. I think Vando and Malik is more likely what we see. If we had opportunities to move Mike for the Lakers deal and didn't do it cuz we were too greedy I'd be upset and think its a mistake.

Im reading tea leaves that some Mike trade is on the board that we like. Few interviews within past few days Mike sounded like he expects something going down. FO has probably asked him if he is cool with the destination.

Vando and Beasley I could almost guarantee being out.

I sense its a package where we bring in a guy that has not been mentioned much. Just something about the quotes Ryan and Danny made in that McMahon piece..

 

[Eddie Zero]

So are you asking if posters would be upset if danny traded conley for a draft pick AND a player who is BETTER than conely? Pretty obvious answer to that question imo.

If we trade old dudes for picks and also dont get a lesser player then that just means that danny fleeced another team or teams again. Everyone rejoices in that scenario

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I was suggesting, I don't think any trade he makes,for the most part, is going to make us bad enough, to be in tank mode.
I think he will intentionally not trade for a different vet on a longer contract, just for a pick. Not when the vets he has under contract, are not on long term deals, and give him more flex.
But I can understand the logic in trading them for younger win later projects, that also fuel the semi season tank or something along that road. Not sure he would though, and would want players that fit winning culture here not tanking culture.

 

[fishonjazz]

I was suggesting, I don't think any trade he makes,for the most part, is going to make us bad enough, to be in tank mode.
I think he will intentionally not trade for a different vet on a longer contract, just for a pick. Not when the vets he has under contract, are not on long term deals, and give him more flex.
But I can understand the logic in trading them for younger win later projects, that also fuel the semi season tank or something along that road. Not sure he would though, and would want players that fit winning culture here not tanking culture.

I see. Thanks for the explanation


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[HermanG]

I think if we dont trade old dudes then the tankers, hell even many of the non tankers, will be upset. Obviously.

If we lose in the play in game then that is worst case scenario. But again, if management does everything they can to tank and that is the result then i think the tankers would understand that nothing could be done about it and wouldnt throw a fit other to maybe point out we should have traded the old dudes sooner.


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This is my main concern. I see a path where we trade just Beasley and Vando and still end up in a good place.

I know Ive been insufferable with my posts lately but I just genuinely worry the path FO takes kills the joy of discussing here...

If we trade everyone.. I promise I wont flame one bit. If we trade no one, I will scratch my head a bit for sure but thats not gonna happen.