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KqWIN said:
Wrt to Walker, it's obvious that the Jazz don't love him which may or may not prove to be the right judgement. If the money was what it seems, I think it's a mistake, but time will tell. What's concerning to me is that this just seems to be another situation where the Jazz drag it out and mismanage another asset. This wishy washy stuff hasn't paid off and I don't think it's gonna pay off here either.

I don't think this will be a mistake that sinks the franchise, but it's just another event that inspires poor confidence in the FO. NGL, I think FO has been pretty trash since the Don/Rudy trades and this greedy/indecisive approach is the biggest reason. What is a situation they managed well? Simone?
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Simone and Ochai I think.

But yeah... the player is not the issue... the process here is. We have commitment issues and the costs will add up. I gave them a ton of benefit of the doubt and explained away some of the most recent stuff but I'm over it now.

I mean... just think about what their goals are as stated by the hero Tony Jones. They want to be the most competitive 20 win team ever. Cool... that is simply saying you want all of the good and none of the bad. Life rarely works out that way. Good luck.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Simone and Ochai I think.

But yeah... the player is not the issue... the process here is. We have commitment issues and the costs will add up. I gave them a ton of benefit of the doubt and explained away some of the most recent stuff but I'm over it now.

I mean... just think about what their goals are as stated by the hero Tony Jones. They want to be the most competitive 20 win team ever. Cool... that is simply saying you want all of the good and none of the bad. Life rarely works out that way. Good luck.
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Stringing along Kessler, slighting him at many different moments, not rewarding him when he did what you asked him to....I just don't think that's a recipe for success. The Jazz could be 100% right that Kessler is not worth $25M a year. But I'm fairly certain someone else does and would trade for Kessler valued at $25M a year + the added bonus of him currently being on a rookie deal.
 
A Walker deal just doesn't make sense for the Jazz. And if Walker thinks he can be a 30 million a year player, it doesn't .ale sense for him either.

Walker still has to take another step forward to make me comfortable with 30 million a year. The Jazz are doing the smart thing.
 
A Walker deal doesn't make sense if the Jazz don't think he's good enough for that deal.....okay, then you should have moved him instead of dragging it out. If Walker takes a step forward to make the Jazz think he's worth $30M, he's probably going to be worth $40M to other teams.

This very much seems like a situation where the Jazz do not value him more than other teams do....and again, that's fine. But this is not a good way to manage that situation. The way to navigate that situation is to trade him at a premium.
 
KqWIN said:
Wrt to Walker, it's obvious that the Jazz don't love him which may or may not prove to be the right judgement. If the money was what it seems, I think it's a mistake, but time will tell. What's concerning to me is that this just seems to be another situation where the Jazz drag it out and mismanage another asset. This wishy washy stuff hasn't paid off and I don't think it's gonna pay off here either.

I don't think this will be a mistake that sinks the franchise, but it's just another event that inspires poor confidence in the FO. NGL, I think FO has been pretty trash since the Don/Rudy trades and this greedy/indecisive approach is the biggest reason. What is a situation they managed well? Simone?
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Stacking bad decisions.

We initially had bad decisions here a little and there a little, justifying it with our perceived mountain of assets that afforded us to make those mistakes. But then the valuation changed and now we’ve had a number of questionable decisions stack up and our ability to afford mulligans has been compromised.
 
Gave this one a listen and it was really fun really really really disagree with not picking up Cody’s third year though 6 million in cap space isn’t enough for me to pull the plug on him just yet I still believe he could end up as a solid rotational player


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infection said:
Stacking bad decisions.

We initially had bad decisions here a little and there a little, justifying it with our perceived mountain of assets that afforded us to make those mistakes. But then the valuation changed and now we’ve had a number of questionable decisions stack up and our ability to afford mulligans has been compromised.
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On the other hand, at least quite a few of our draft picks appear to be panning out

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I think it’s obvious the relationship between the Jazz and Kessler hasn’t been the best. The FO doesn’t believe in him enough to give him 30M a year. Like I said on the pod I’m not sure I’m comfortable giving him that either.

He could end up getting traded I think. Our front office likes a different type of big. We literally would have given Porzingis 30-35M a year if Boston didn’t want him.

There are so many layers to this situation but we are being a bit indecisive. We’d take him at 20M a year but not 30M a year. Do we like him enough for 25M+? Maybe, maybe not. Do we have potential offers that we like more than we don’t like 25M+?
 
Elizah Huge said:
I think it’s obvious the relationship between the Jazz and Kessler hasn’t been the best. The FO doesn’t believe in him enough to give him 30M a year. Like I said on the pod I’m not sure I’m comfortable giving him that either.

He could end up getting traded I think. Our front office likes a different type of big. We literally would have given Porzingis 30-35M a year if Boston didn’t want him.

There are so many layers to this situation but we are being a bit indecisive. We’d take him at 20M a year but not 30M a year. Do we like him enough for 25M+? Maybe, maybe not. Do we have potential offers that we like more than we don’t like 25M+?
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My biggest thing with Kessler is his inability to draw fouls and make FTs. I'd rather just play it out and see what he has in store for his contract year.

If he takes the leap, I'm fine with investing.

I'm not sure what Chadwick settled on for what he would be willing to pay Kessler, but I wouldn't go over 25 a year and I wouldn't compromise on giving a player option in the final year.
 
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