Jackpotting Around - It's Just One Game... But...

[Handlogten's Heros]

- Brice is a top 6 shooter when he averaged 1.4 pull up 3s per game last year?
- Giving up on Cody when we have no reason to?

I get that this is an overreaction pod, but these were over the top even for an overreaction pod.

- That was last year. This year Brice is a top 6 shooter. Per36 it may not be that crazy. There are also a lot of ways to define a shooter. Like SGA is a great shooter/shotmaker but not necessarily a 3 point assassin. I think end of year he will be in elite company.
- I would likely pick up the option but if the Jazz are being so precious about their cap space and we saw the media guys basically state that internally the Cody pick got some folks fired and there isn't a lot of belief in him... its not crazy to value the 5M in space it would provide.

Also, its an overreaction pod. The takes should burn your tongue a little.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I doubt Keyonte is the worst defender in the NBA, but he's a really bad defender who was on the worst team, so that badness got magnified a ton.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

- That was last year. This year Brice is a top 6 shooter. Per36 it may not be that crazy. There are also a lot of ways to define a shooter. Like SGA is a great shooter/shotmaker but not necessarily a 3 point assassin. I think end of year he will be in elite company.
- I would likely pick up the option but if the Jazz are being so precious about their cap space and we saw the media guys basically state that internally the Cody pick got some folks fired and there isn't a lot of belief in him... its not crazy to value the 5M in space it would provide.

Also, its an overreaction pod. The takes should burn your tongue a little.

I dont think that's an insane Brice take. So far in the pre-season he's had 18 3PA in 54 minutes. If he averages around 25 MPG he will be around 6-8 3PA per game and will shoot a high %.

 

[fishonjazz]

Can I ask yall (since I don't watch as often or as closely as I used to)... how off-base is she on Key's defense?

It would be really quick work to make a compilation of Key ball-watching in no-man's land.

I know he's bad, but how bad is he? Like, bottom 10th percentile? Or..?

Key is a way better defender than luka. Of that I am certain

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Brice as a top 6 shooter in the NBA is insane and sounds like a crazy homer. Go tell that to any non Jazz fan and they are going to either laugh at you or say, "Brice Who?"

It's not a knock on Brice either, there are just so many great shooters in the NBA right now. And, yes, best shooter is subjective, but I would think you have to consider degree of difficulty and number of years hitting certain benchmarks.

The best thing about Brice so far this preseason is his ability to score in more ways than just 3pt shooting. I've been super encouraged by him getting to the line and scoring at the rim and a little mid range too. He's looking like a scoring machine.

 

[KqWIN]

Idk....in a Bill Simmons way, top 6 sounds about right. Luke Kennard? Top 6 Shooter. Duncan Robinson? Top 6 shooter. Why top 6? Because I didn't think about it much and off the top of my head there's probably about 5 guys that are definitely better. It's kinda like how there's 10 guys playing "DPOY level defense" and 20+ guys who deserve to be all stars in each conference. Top 6 sounds right because there are about 18 of them in podcast land where everything is hyperbole.

I don't even think it's that ridiculous from a highly analytical perspective btw. Very high volume, very high accuracy. And while his degree of difficulty isn't the highest, it's also not the lowest. You'd be pretty much excluding all of the catch and shoot guys if Brice's shots are not considered "tough" enough. If he were to repeat his shooting performance I'd think he'd have an argument.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Idk....in a Bill Simmons way, top 6 sounds about right. Luke Kennard? Top 6 Shooter. Duncan Robinson? Top 6 shooter. Why top 6? Because I didn't think about it much and off the top of my head there's probably about 5 guys that are definitely better. It's kinda like how there's 10 guys playing "DPOY level defense" and 20+ guys who deserve to be all stars in each conference. Top 6 sounds right because there are about 18 of them in podcast land where everything is hyperbole.

I don't even think it's that ridiculous from a highly analytical perspective btw. Very high volume, very high accuracy. And while his degree of difficulty isn't the highest, it's also not the lowest. You'd be pretty much excluding all of the catch and shoot guys if Brice's shots are not considered "tough" enough. If he were to repeat his shooting performance I'd think he'd have an argument.

I guess I need to listen to Simmons more because I'm not familiar with the reference. If the argument is that Brice will be a top 20 shooter by the end of the year that puts him in to the conversation for higher, then that's not as crazy

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Idk....in a Bill Simmons way, top 6 sounds about right. Luke Kennard? Top 6 Shooter. Duncan Robinson? Top 6 shooter. Why top 6? Because I didn't think about it much and off the top of my head there's probably about 5 guys that are definitely better. It's kinda like how there's 10 guys playing "DPOY level defense" and 20+ guys who deserve to be all stars in each conference. Top 6 sounds right because there are about 18 of them in podcast land where everything is hyperbole.

I don't even think it's that ridiculous from a highly analytical perspective btw. Very high volume, very high accuracy. And while his degree of difficulty isn't the highest, it's also not the lowest. You'd be pretty much excluding all of the catch and shoot guys if Brice's shots are not considered "tough" enough. If he were to repeat his shooting performance I'd think he'd have an argument.

Not sure if you actually listened but that’s exactly what I was going for lol. If you say top 5, 10 or whatever it sounds like just a guess. When you say top 6 it’s like you have a list in your office you update daily and know the other 5 lol.

 

[KqWIN]

Not sure if you actually listened but that’s exactly what I was going for lol. If you say top 5, 10 or whatever it sounds like just a guess. When you say top 6 it’s like you have a list in your office you update daily and know the other 5 lol.

I did....Like I don't think it's totally ridiculous to call Duncan Robinson a top 6 shooter. If was being highly analytical about it, he probably would not be in my top 6 shooters. But I can see someone saying that, and while it is glaze, I get the spirit of the statement. If Brice can repeat or expand upon his shooting performance last year I think he's that caliber of shooter.

I'd also agree with @SoberasHotRod saying that no average fan would mention Brice. But how many fans know that Brice shot 42% on 9.4 attempts/36.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I did....Like I don't think it's totally ridiculous to call Duncan Robinson a top 6 shooter. If was being highly analytical about it, he probably would not be in my top 6 shooters. But I can see someone saying that, and while it is glaze, I get the spirit of the statement. If Brice can repeat or expand upon his shooting performance last year I think he's that caliber of shooter.

I'd also agree with @SoberasHotRod saying that no average fan would mention Brice. But how many fans know that Brice shot 42% on 9.4 attempts/36.

I'm going to regret piling on like this, but I had some time to look up the stats, and I think you are underscoring his degree of difficulty. My guess is he had some of the easiest shots for a volume 3pt shooter due to nobody caring about the Jazz last year.

Here are the numbers:

- 25th in 3PA/100 possessions
- 144th in 3FGMUAST
- 64th in FGA/Off Screens
- 99th in 3PA off pull ups
- He only shot 0.5 3PA/Game when closely guarded (and only shot 30.3% when closely guarded)

I think he first has to get his level of difficulty up (not his fault people have to start respecting him and guarding him closer), and then we can start talking about him with the elite shooters in the NBA. Maybe that happens this year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm going to regret piling on like this, but I had some time to look up the stats, and I think you are underscoring his degree of difficulty. My guess is he had some of the easiest shots for a volume 3pt shooter due to nobody caring about the Jazz last year.

Here are the numbers:

- 25th in 3PA/100 possessions
- 144th in 3FGMUAST
- 64th in FGA/Off Screens
- 99th in 3PA off pull ups
- He only shot 0.5 3PA/Game when closely guarded (and only shot 30.3% when closely guarded)

I think he first has to get his level of difficulty up (not his fault people have to start respecting him and guarding him closer), and then we can start talking about him with the elite shooters in the NBA. Maybe that happens this year.

-18th in 3PA per 100 with non-qualifiers removed.
-Key aspect with good shooters is the amount of times the ball goes in... 15th in the league in percentage.
-Didn't get enough fts to qualify but shot those at 89%.

Again... those are last year's numbers. In a year when he had inconsistent playing time and role. He also plays with very few playmakers. The volume and accuracy is enough to put him in the top 20 shooter convo. This is after one game in which he got 10 up and a few off the dribble and very contested. Its not that deep. Its a homer pick... not a crazy homer pick. He seems to know what he needs to be now and coach seems a in lockstep.

Its also obtuse because maybe people wouldn's say Jokic is a top 6 shooter and there is obviously a case there. For me... when I think of just pure shooting... its "when this guy is open is the ball going in?". I think he will add to his bag as a shooter this year but if he was already getting up 12.5 per 100 he didn't need to force any. IDK... if he hunts his 3p shot aggressively I think it could be pretty obvious he's in the top 10 convo.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yall getting too nerdy with the shooting stuff.

Do you take a lot of 3's and make a lot of 3's?

If you shoot 8 or more 3's per game and manage to make 40% or above, you are definitely in the conversation for top 5. And if Brice gets the minutes, he will likely be in that range.