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Jackpotting Around Podcast: Episode 37 - Keandre Ashley of Hoop Intellect

Handlogten's Heros said:
I agree with this. It should just be which of these guys has the most potential to help a team win games at a high level? I think it should have some probability applied to it as well.
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You can you can get even more granular than that and talk about what kind of role they play into that. Upside/Potential is just too broad of a term to use on it's own.

The idea that we can know a range player a player fits into is flawed. Even if we knew could somehow know the exact range, the probabilities at different points across that range are what really matter. I have a pretty set range range in my head for Tre, for example, and I have a hard time seeing him break out of that range. But I don't want to put this cap on him by saying he has a low ceiling or say he has a high ceiling because in the 100th percentile of outcomes he does.
 
Great idea to have Keandre on your podcast. I agree with everything he said about VJ and would pick him over Tre and Ace as well. His answer to the question about which players after #20 could become All-Stars was interesting.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
when i think about upside, i think about a few things:

god given talent: height, length, athleticism
youth
shooting/scoring potential - have they shown the ability - even if not consistently efficient - to create their own shot, do they have good mechanics. iow, even if the shooting numbers aren't great now, based on their mechanics they have potential to be very good
production - ideally they would have shown they can produce at least a reasonable level

imo, if they have those four things, they probably have a lot of "upside", a "high ceiling", etc.

to be clear, that's just how i view it. doesn't mean that's how it is or has to be or it's set in stone, just that when i think of dudes with upside, that's what i tend to look at.
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Tre and Kon both have massive defensive concerns in the NBA, but Kon's are slightly more worrying to me. I don't know if this guy can defend much at all in the NBA.

I don't have very strong feelings on Tre vs. Kon vs. Ace vs. Fears. Very whatever feeling.
 
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Handlogten's Heros said:
They are both role players... just different variations on the same theme.
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Cant really say we know that about them as nba players since we have zero sample size for either. It can be you opinion of how you think they will be in the nba though.
Now as college players one of them was a role player. The other wasn't though.
 
fishonjazz said:
Cant really say we know that about them as nba players since we have zero sample size for either. It can be you opinion of how you think they will be in the nba though.
Now as college players one of them was a role player. The other wasn't though.
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We can't say anything about what their potential roles will be as NBA players? That's like what we do my guy. Context in college is important. It also depends on what your definition of a role player is... if it is anything other than number 1 guy then sure... Kon was a role player. He was the second option on a team that was the best college team for 95% of the year. He was the second option to the best player in this year's draft. Bold prediction - If either of these guys is your number 1 option or best player on the team... then you ain't going very far.

Its just kind of hilarious because I've seen both guys compared to the same nba players multiple times. Tre has more ability to be the best scorer on an NBA team... that NBA team likely ain't winning at a high level.
 
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