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Jackpotting Around Podcast: Episode 37 - Keandre Ashley of Hoop Intellect

KqWIN said:
One counterpoint to Kon is there aren’t really that many guys who fit what I imagine his high end outcomes to me. It’s really just Bane. There are more guys who represent what I think Tre’s high end outcome would be.
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What's funny is I have heard both compared to Bogdon Bogdanovic as median outcomes by two different draft evaluators. My stance has been really simple. These guys are very similar quality prospects at the same position. I'm good with either. The draft is random and maybe one guy smooths out his issues or translates better. Tre Truthers then throw up over that notion... and I find it hilarious.
 
One thing that was brought up a few times was that there is so many guys like VJ running around in the playoffs. I think that’s a feature, not a bug. It’s good for his chances of being a 16-game player like those guys and it’s also good for his chances of going beyond that.

A lot this resides in the belief that players can scale up, and it does happen. A lot of the things that would point to a player being able to be a future star are actually the things we’d typically associate with role players and a lot of the overrated things are the things we’d associate with being a star. It doesn’t always work out this way of course, but those have been the trends historically.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
What's funny is I have heard both compared to Bogdon Bogdanovic as median outcomes by two different draft evaluators. My stance has been really simple. These guys are very similar quality prospects at the same position. I'm good with either. The draft is random and maybe one guy smooths out his issues or translates better. Tre Truthers then throw up over that notion... and I find it hilarious.
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The thing is, he kinda is both. If you took the advantages of both you would have what I think he could be. Let’s call theoretically fused player Bon. Does it matter that Bon Bogdanovic isn’t real?

I do think that having few examples is a good warning sign if you’re comparing it to someone totally unique. Remember when every guard who couldn’t shoot was Andre Miller? But I think that’s has to do with the uniqueness of those skills working instead of the amount of Andre Millers around. I’m not sure that applies to Bon.

My favorite comp for Kon is actually Brice with a brain. Even though that doesn’t exist in reality, I still think it’s ok to envision Kon as that?

It is a lot easier when you can just list off a bunch of guys like I can with Tre.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
I mean, Rob Dillingham played 16 minutes all postseason.
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in what (nba) world was he a bucket getter? my dude averaged 4 ppg on 50% TS

if you can get buckets, you are extremely valuable in the playoffs when defenses tighten up and scoring is much harder to come by.

dillingham might be that guy some day. certainly wasn't this year.
 
Tre is a facsimile of Hield.
VJ is a facsimile of Melton.
Ace is a facsimile of Kuminga.

Can do this all day. Meaningless statements on their own.
 
KqWIN said:
One thing that was brought up a few times was that there is so many guys like VJ running around in the playoffs. I think that’s a feature, not a bug. It’s good for his chances of being a 16-game player like those guys and it’s also good for his chances of going beyond that.

A lot this resides in the belief that players can scale up, and it does happen. A lot of the things that would point to a player being able to be a future star are actually the things we’d typically associate with role players and a lot of the overrated things are the things we’d associate with being a star. It doesn’t always work out this way of course, but those have been the trends historically.
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I think it’s a feature as well and tried to emphasize that.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
in what (nba) world was he a bucket getter? my dude averaged 4 ppg on 50% TS

if you can get buckets, you are extremely valuable in the playoffs when defenses tighten up and scoring is much harder to come by.

dillingham might be that guy some day. certainly wasn't this year.
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Why is it that the defenses are better. Does that have something to do with which players are getting the minutes?
 
seattlejazzfan said:
in what (nba) world was he a bucket getter? my dude averaged 4 ppg on 50% TS

if you can get buckets, you are extremely valuable in the playoffs when defenses tighten up and scoring is much harder to come by.

dillingham might be that guy some day. certainly wasn't this year.
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Okay, another example. Kuminga is an obvious 15-20 PPG scorer in the NBA who the Warriors refuse to play unless they have no options because of injuries.

Now, Kuminga is probably the single most delusional player in the NBA outside of randos like GG Jackson so he's an extreme outlier, lol.
 
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