What's new
By:

Jackpotting Around Podcast: Episode 37 - Keandre Ashley of Hoop Intellect

KqWIN said:
Don't think either really ascend beyond role tbh. Potential to go beyond that is about the same.
Click to expand...
That’s where I would disagree. I think Tre has more of a chance to go beyond that.

Isn’t that what we should be drafting for what they could end up being?
 
Elizah Huge said:
That’s where I would disagree. I think Tre has more of a chance to go beyond that.

Isn’t that what we should be drafting for what they could end up being?
Click to expand...

It's what we should be aiming for yes. I'm not sure Tre's chances are much higher if at all. Bucket getting is a hard way to make it onto the court in the playoffs.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We can't say anything about what their potential roles will be as NBA players?
Click to expand...
Definitively? No. You said they are both role players. Which sounds like a statement of fact rather than opinion. Also sounds like a statement of present time rather than a futuristic prediction. Maybe should have said I think they will both be role players in the nba.
I thought you might have been talking about what they are/were in college. Couldn't tell for sure. In college one of them was a role player. The other one wasn't.
 
What I'm really speaking to when I say role player is a player's overall impact, like in APM terms. Coby White scored an efficient 20 PPG and he might not be a top 75 player.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
People are really stretching the definition of role player out if you think a future 20+ PPG scorer is a role player.
Click to expand...
Ya Tre led his team in field goal attempts by a lot. 15.9 attempts per game. Which is more than Flagg and way more than Kon. Tre was The Guy on his college team. Kon was a very good supporting role player. Now you could argue that Tre was The Guy and his team sucked so he wasn't very successful at it and could also argue that Kon was very very successful as a role player. I can dig it. But the role they each had on their teams were way different from a carrying the offensive load/volume/scoring standpoint.
 
KqWIN said:
What I'm really speaking to when I say role player is a player's overall impact, like in APM terms. Coby White scored an efficient 20 PPG and he might not be a top 75 player.
Click to expand...
Yep. White is an amazing role player.
 
fishonjazz said:
Ya Tre led his team in field goal attempts by a lot. 15.9 attempts per game. Which is more than Flagg and way more than Kon. Tre was The Guy on his college team. Kon was a very good supporting role player. Now you could argue that Tre was The Guy and his team sucked so he wasn't very successful at it and could also argue that Kon was very very successful as a role player. I can dig it. But the role they each had on their teams were way different from a carrying the offensive load/volume/scoring standpoint.
Click to expand...
Tre lead them to the tournament in the hardest conference. *shrug*
 
If the target is scoring 20 ppg I would definitely say that Tre has more potential and that potential is more real than Kon. But if we’re talking about being idk…top 50 guy you would want in a playoff game I think the potentials are about the same.
 
One counterpoint to Kon is there aren’t really that many guys who fit what I imagine his high end outcomes to me. It’s really just Bane. There are more guys who represent what I think Tre’s high end outcome would be.
 
fishonjazz said:
Definitively? No. You said they are both role players. Which sounds like a statement of fact rather than opinion. Also sounds like a statement of present time rather than a futuristic prediction. Maybe should have said I think they will both be role players in the nba.
I thought you might have been talking about what they are/were in college. Couldn't tell for sure. In college one of them was a role player. The other one wasn't.
Click to expand...
You are hung up on the role player thing. Obviously no one knows what the WILL be but I think they are variation on the same theme. They will be high level starters in most reasonable ceiling outcomes. Do you prefer Desmond Bane or Tyler Herro... both could be more than that because anyone can be anything I guess.

I'm truly good with either. I think Kon will be more malleable. If you hit and land the 2nd or 3rd best player on your team at #5 that is a home run. I am not consumed with ppg potential of offensive engine potential. If I thought either guy could be a true offensive engine capable of leading a conference finals team... then they would be in a tier with Dylan Harper or maybe Flagg.

Kon was the second best player on the best team in the country... role player? If that role was world class ***-kicker then I guess you right.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page
Back
Top