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Jackpotting Around -Tony Jones Edition

Saint Cy of JFC said:
The Kessler comments are interesting. Does he have legit beef with the Jazz outside of the contract stuff?
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They’ve had some disagreements throughout. I think if he gets paid and they start winning it would solve a lot of the stuff. He hates the tank. I have another contact I’m going to hit up when we get closer to free agency.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
They’ve had some disagreements throughout. I think if he gets paid and they start winning it would solve a lot of the stuff. He hates the tank. I have another contact I’m going to hit up when we get closer to free agency.
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What I got curious and would ask If in the conversation (not a criticism, but a question I'd have after what was said) for what was said, would be If a Kessler problem with Utah would be Utah the location, market size, etc, or would it be Utah the front office. How they value him, not just money wise, but how much they believe in him as a future piece and their willingness to give him the platform to showcase the best of his game.
 
rippimpc said:
From a value perspective it seems like a huge mistake to prefer keeping Lauri and losing the pick over trading Lauri and keeping the pick, unless you don’t think you can get equal value for Lauri.
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I would tend to agree which is why I was surprised with his answer a bit.
 
rippimpc said:
From a value perspective it seems like a huge mistake to prefer keeping Lauri and losing the pick over trading Lauri and keeping the pick, unless you don’t think you can get equal value for Lauri.
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Once again: not trading Lauri at the 22-23 deadline was absolutely a fireable offense. That one decision set this franchise back like five years. It made zero sense then and it makes zero sense now.

Had Ainge sold (super) high on him, Lauri would've brought back an unbelievable haul of rebuild assets and all this tanking crap could already be over and done with.

Instead, they've wasted his prime, slowed the rebuild to a crawl, and looked like aimless morons.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
Once again: not trading Lauri at the 22-23 deadline was absolutely a fireable offense. That one decision set this franchise back like five years. It made zero sense then and it makes zero sense now.

Had Ainge sold (super) high on him, Lauri would've brought back an unbelievable haul of rebuild assets and all this tanking crap could already be over and done with.

Instead, they've wasted his prime, slowed the rebuild to a crawl, and looked like aimless morons.
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We had a shot at Wemby and didn’t take it
 
The list of teams that would be willing to go "all-in" for Lauri don't exist. He's having a fine season, but more of a "not quite all-star season, maybe the 40th best player in the NBA" while having zero playoff experience to show if he can defend in the postseason. Meanwhile, this is his third straight year being part of a bottom 2 defense. The Pistons would probably give up Ron Holland and 1-2 firsts for Lauri, but no one is doing major offers with how much uncertainty Lauri brings.

I would imagine the Jazz are really disappointed with the offers for Lauri and with how bad the 27 draft looks, will just pivot to winning. If they get a top 3 pick, great, they can become a contender. If not, well, the tank failed miserably and the Jazz will be aiming for mediocrity.
 
We’re not trading Lauri. Biggest driver of is patience running out. But I also don’t think offers are there, and if they are there they aren’t close to what they were previously.
 
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rjfan said:
What I got curious and would ask If in the conversation (not a criticism, but a question I'd have after what was said) for what was said, would be If a Kessler problem with Utah would be Utah the location, market size, etc, or would it be Utah the front office. How they value him, not just money wise, but how much they believe in him as a future piece and their willingness to give him the platform to showcase the best of his game.
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I have the answer here. Pretty definitively. The contract issue is big... but not just that they didn't sign him but that they refused to negotiate. They would not even give him an idea of what they would offer if the cap space play wasn't available. Outside of that:

- The LA stuff is real. Walker wants to win. Jazz seem less sold on Walker... so he likely was excited by that opportunity to play and utilize his skillset as a roll man to its fullest extent.
- The Jazz don't like that Walker works out with his own people and doesn't stay in Utah all summer. Walk has his people and wants to utilize them. This is petty.
- They want him to do all the garbage work. He's cool with that but his numbers suffer because our PG play is less than optimal... that's okay as long as you pay him.
- They wanted him to improve guarding on the perimeter... he did... but the scheme isn't a perfect fit.
- He feels they painted him as a bit weak with the "Walker takes losing the hardest, Walker is his biggest critic" type stuff. He's not weak... he wants to win.
- I think he's had some clashes with Will but nothing that wasn't solved and wasn't more than two guys that want to win banging heads a little.

Here is my take... The Jazz would do very well to make Walker a good fair offer in the 2 week window they have before free agency opens (or whatever it is). They can still keep their cap space because you agree on terms and then execute the contracts in the right order.

They should not tell him to go find his offer... and he may tell them he is going to go out and do it anyway. I think there is also the possibility of a marriage of convenience or sign and trade to a team without space or a team unwilling to send a big contract offer.

My confusion is on why they don't just view him as a long term piece and treat him as such. They have really been wishy washy on him. Its weird.

Don't buy any of the unreasonable demands on his contract stuff. That was always nonsense... Jazz did not negotiate. Full stop.
 
KqWIN said:
We’re not trading Lauri. Biggest driver of that is driver of that is patience running out. But I also don’t think offers are there, and if they are there they aren’t close to what they were previously.
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That and I think they just really like him and value him. I doubt any other star would have been this patient with us. He's unique in that way.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
The list of teams that would be willing to go "all-in" for Lauri don't exist. He's having a fine season, but more of a "not quite all-star season, maybe the 40th best player in the NBA" while having zero playoff experience to show if he can defend in the postseason. Meanwhile, this is his third straight year being part of a bottom 2 defense. The Pistons would probably give up Ron Holland and 1-2 firsts for Lauri, but no one is doing major offers with how much uncertainty Lauri brings.

I would imagine the Jazz are really disappointed with the offers for Lauri and with how bad the 27 draft looks, will just pivot to winning. If they get a top 3 pick, great, they can become a contender. If not, well, the tank failed miserably and the Jazz will be aiming for mediocrity.
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All-in offers seems like they are dead tbh. If Giannis can't get teams to make an all-in offer who can (that would actually be available)?

I think it would be a Bane type offer and I just don't think that is more helpful in the FO view than Lauri.
 
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