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Archie Moses said:
Tarnished?

I guarantee it was a small percentage of people are complaining. Not to say it should be dismissed, but to say the hire wouldn't "tarnish" their rep. No one knows this guy. His podcast was in good jest but complete and utter ignorance of what China town is. He was ignorant and yet honest of what he felt about it.

Educate him. Educate others. Firing doesn't help the point being made.
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Believe it or not public perception matters to people making a TV show. Obviously they were worried about the backlash they received or they wouldn't have acted on it.

I'm sure as living human in 2019, he's well aware of what he did wrong. You can't really plead ignorance about that stuff anymore. If he really needs to be taught, one of the most effective ways to do so, practiced by parents and teachers across the world, is accountability and consequences for one's actions. Looks like SNL did that.
 
Zombie said:
Believe it or not public perception matters to people making a TV show. Obviously they were worried about the backlash they received or they wouldn't have acted on it.

I'm sure as living human in 2019, he's well aware of what he did wrong. You can't really plead ignorance about that stuff anymore. If he really needs to be taught, one of the most effective ways to do so, practiced by parents and teachers across the world, is accountability and consequences for one's actions. Looks like SNL did that.
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No, living as a human in 2019 does not mean you're woke like you, that's ignorant to say...
 
Zombie said:
You don't have to be particularly "woke" to identify a racist Chinese stereotype. This really isn't a particularly high bar to clear.
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Call Dave Chappelle and Burr out on your "woke" stereotypes.


I guarantee you've said similar things in the past or had friends who did.
Throw your stones.

I'll continue to advocate and educate.

"Woke."
 
Archie Moses said:
Call Dave Chappelle and Burr out on your "woke" stereotypes.


I guarantee you've said similar things in the past or had friends who did.
Throw your stones.

I'll continue to advocate and educate.

"Woke."
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I'm just incredibly confused about what you're saying here.

I was a little **** as a kid, so yeah I probably did. Then I did a really crazy thing and grew up. So yeah, sorry if calling people out on their bigotry ruffles your feathers, but I don't really know what you expect me to do.
 
@Zombie, I’m going to diverge from you a little. I think comics, especially established ones, need and should get some leeway in what and how they say things while performing. It helps society reflect and stay intellectually and morally honest with itself.

No, not everything said is kosher or shouldn’t be pushed back on. But it should, and to me at least, has a valued role.
 
Stoked said:
@Zombie, I’m going to diverge from you a little. I think comics, especially established ones, need and should get some leeway in what and how they say things while performing. It helps society reflect and stay intellectually and morally honest with itself.

No, not everything said is kosher or shouldn’t be pushed back on. But it should, and to me at least, has a valued role.
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Yeah, it can be conflicting, but I think we should give a special space to our comedians to challenge us.
 
Stoked said:
@Zombie, I’m going to diverge from you a little. I think comics, especially established ones, need and should get some leeway in what and how they say things while performing. It helps society reflect and stay intellectually and morally honest with itself.

No, not everything said is kosher or shouldn’t be pushed back on. But it should, and to me at least, has a valued role.
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Sure, no on is saying comics can't say wherever they want. There's an audience out there for anything. But it's also true that audiences can and should make their voices heard about how they feel about it, and potential employers can take that into account when it comes to who they decide to give millions of dollars to. Some, like Netflix, are free and welcome to throw their money at Bill Burr or Dave Chappelle and that's fine, it's their money. And SNL can decide not to hire Shane Gills, again, it's their call.

I just disagree that there's this massive problem with "woke" people censoring comics, when the evidence demonstrates that even "problematic" comics are doing just fine, and are enjoying financial and professional success most of us couldn't even dream of.
 
Zombie said:
I'm just incredibly confused about what you're saying here.

I was a little **** as a kid, so yeah I probably did. Then I did a really crazy thing and grew up. So yeah, sorry if calling people out on their bigotry ruffles your feathers, but I don't really know what you expect me to do.
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You're making your own when it's ok to be a bigot rules up, dude. That's why you're confused.

Stop being a judgemental douche. It doesn't matter if you're woke or religious. You're the same to me.
 
Stoked said:
@Zombie, I’m going to diverge from you a little. I think comics, especially established ones, need and should get some leeway in what and how they say things while performing. It helps society reflect and stay intellectually and morally honest with itself.

No, not everything said is kosher or shouldn’t be pushed back on. But it should, and to me at least, has a valued role.
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I wish I could put my feelings into words so thank you for doing it for me. Lol
 
Archie Moses said:
You're making your own when it's ok to be a bigot rules up, dude. That's why you're confused.

Stop being a judgemental douche. It doesn't matter if you're woke or religious. You're the same to me.
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Lmao, how am I making these rules up?

By saying there should be different expectations for the behavior of children and adults? I'm genuinely baffled.

I'll stop being a judgmental douche as soon as you do, you've cast plenty of judgment here as well.
 
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