James Gunn

[Zombie]

It's not ironic because this thread is full of examples of the double standard.

I'm not up in arms. I didn't get anyone fired. I haven't advocated for anyone to be fired. You've defended Jeong, Smollett, when they were complete POS and yet, are simple minded enough if someone is as simple as white, you agree they should be fired/etc because you're so woke and don't conform to the status quo.

Call me terrible (ip in arms lol) if you will. The online mob, fake outrage, mob mentality can go **** off.

I haven't actually called to anyone to be fired either. If Netflix wants to give Chappelle millions of dollars or SNL responds to public sentiment and doesn't hire a guy, it doesn't make much difference to me. I was absolutely wrong about Smollet, I believed him and clearly shouldn't have.

What I do have a problem with though, is people calling others who are exercising their freedom of speech, and working within the confines of capitalism to make their voices heard, "fake outrage mobs" or "sjws." It's ok for people to have different opinions about things, and make those opinions heard, without describing them as "robots" or otherwise not acting out of their own free will or independent judgment.

 

[candrew]

I remember when me and my fellow eleven year old Mormon friends got a hold an Eddie Murphy stand up cassette, which included this sketch. We thought it was the funniest thing we'd ever heard. We then created our own sketch in which we pretended to be a "****** extermination squad" and prank called other kids and asked them if they were faggots.

We also pretty relentlessly bullied a boy in our boy scout troop who we suspected was gay, calling him a "fage" in a very clever attempt not to get in trouble.

All this to say, comedy is no excuse for horrible bigoted remarks. Being a comedian doesn't or shouldn't give you a pass to say whatever you want.

Don't be so hard on yourself. It was the 80's. It was an awkward time for everyone.

Except Patrick Swayze.

 

[Archie Moses]

I haven't actually called to anyone to be fired either. If Netflix wants to give Chappelle millions of dollars or SNL responds to public sentiment and doesn't hire a guy, it doesn't make much difference to me. I was absolutely wrong about Smollet, I believed him and clearly shouldn't have.

What I do have a problem with though, is people calling others who are exercising their freedom of speech, and working within the confines of capitalism to make their voices heard, "fake outrage mobs" or "sjws." It's ok for people to have different opinions about things, and make those opinions heard, without describing them as "robots" or otherwise not acting out of their own free will or independent judgment.

Yeah, man. I shouldn't have called you a robot, so I apologize for that. I'm not trying to suppress your freedom of speech or anyone else's for that matter, but the online mob mentality is detrimental and fake (for the most part.)

People are very different in real life than their online persona. They tend to exaggerate and amply their feelings to be heard.

I don't know the SNL guy's name. I listened to his podcast. I cringed when he said what he said, but I knew it was out if ignorance and he wasn't, to the best that I know, wasn't malicious. Dude made a mistake. It just cost him, I'd imagine, his dream.

I imagine the guy is feeling pretty terrible. His tweet is deflating his feelings. The dude literally had his dreams come true and lost it. I don't care if he's white, black, purple, brown, I feel bad for him.

If he was a malicious, racist **** I'd be the first one to throw him under the bus.

I don't know. Maybe he is. I'd rather give the benefit of the doubt though rather than have the mentality of he must suffer the consequences.

Losing a job ****s with you. Losing your dream right after you reached it must be hard.


Hate culture sucks, man.

 

[Archie Moses]

Don't be so hard on yourself. It was the 80's. It was an awkward time for everyone.

Except Patrick Swayze.

I should say the same thing. Don't be hard on yourself (if you are) I was just making a point.

 

[Zombie]

Yeah, man. I shouldn't have called you a robot, so I apologize for that. I'm not trying to suppress your freedom of speech or anyone else's for that matter, but the online mob mentality is detrimental and fake (for the most part.)

People are very different in real life than their online persona. They tend to exaggerate and amply their feelings to be heard.

I don't know the SNL guy's name. I listened to his podcast. I cringed when he said what he said, but I knew it was out if ignorance and he wasn't, to the best that I know, wasn't malicious. Dude made a mistake. It just cost him, I'd imagine, his dream.

I imagine the guy is feeling pretty terrible. His tweet is deflating his feelings. The dude literally had his dreams come true and lost it. I don't care if he's white, black, purple, brown, I feel bad for him.

If he was a malicious, racist **** I'd be the first one to throw him under the bus.

I don't know. Maybe he is. I'd rather give the benefit of the doubt though rather than have the mentality of he must suffer the consequences.

Losing a job ****s with you. Losing your dream right after you reached it must be hard.


Hate culture sucks, man.

Oh for sure, it definitely sucks for him, just as it probably sucks for the hundreds of other people who have that dream and haven't realized it, I imagine many with comedy routines that don't include offensive racial stereotypes. I'm not sure what makes this guy in particular any more deserving of sympathy than them.

I appreciate your apology but you still assume many of the people upset are doing so disingenously, which kind of puzzles me tbh.

 

[Zombie]

Don't be so hard on yourself. It was the 80's. It was an awkward time for everyone.

Except Patrick Swayze.

Oh, I mean, I don't feel good about how I acted as a teenager, but I also understand that's not the same person I am now.

I like to think I've grown up a little bit since then.

 

[Archie Moses]

Oh for sure, it definitely sucks for him, just as it probably sucks for the hundreds of other people who have that dream and haven't realized it, I imagine many with comedy routines that don't include offensive racial stereotypes. I'm not sure what makes this guy in particular any more deserving of sympathy than them.

I appreciate your apology but you still assume many of the people upset are doing so disingenously, which kind of puzzles me tbh.

What does "upset" mean?

People have a mob online voice. I can tell you that no one is losing sleep over his comment.

 

[Archie Moses]

Oh, I mean, I don't feel good about how I acted as a teenager, but I also understand that's not the same person I am now.

I like to think I've grown up a little bit since then.

So you're saying people can learn and grow?


The irony...

 

[Zombie]

So you're saying people can learn and grow?


The irony...

I don't see the irony here? If the comedian in question made those jokes as a ten year old I'd be right there with you. He made them what? A year ago? My position isn't that he should forever be shunned for his bigoted jokes, especially if he learns from his mistakes.

But that doesn't mean that SNL is in the wrong for not hiring him.

 

[Archie Moses]

I don't see the irony here? If the comedian in question made those jokes as a ten year old I'd be right there with you. He made them what? A year ago? My position isn't that he should forever be shunned for his bigoted jokes, especially if he learns from his mistakes.

But that doesn't mean that SNL is in the wrong for not hiring him.

For some, it takes a decade, a year or a month to learn from their mistakes. Just because you're far removed from yours, doesn't mean someone that messed up a week ago can't change too.

Maybe you should be fired from your job too for being a bully with Mormons, right? Or where do we draw the line?

The past is the past.

 

[Zombie]

For some, it takes a decade, a year or a month to learn from their mistakes. Just because you're far removed from yours, doesn't mean someone that messed up a week ago can't change too.

Maybe you should be fired from your job too for being a bully with Mormons, right? Or where do we draw the line?

The past is the past.

You are right, it can be complicated. And there probably isn't "a line" that's the same for each person and each situation. I think we can all agree that adults probably shouldn't be held to account for their behavior as children.

Maybe this guy has realized he was in the wrong and has worked to make amends, I certainly don't know. It seems to me that SNL doesn't want their image tarnished with this hire, and this is ultimately their call to make.

 

[Archie Moses]

You are right, it can be complicated. And there probably isn't "a line" that's the same for each person and each situation. I think we can all agree that adults probably shouldn't be held to account for their behavior as children.

Maybe this guy has realized he was in the wrong and has worked to make amends, I certainly don't know. It seems to me that SNL doesn't want their image tarnished with this hire, and this is ultimately their call to make.

Tarnished?

I guarantee it was a small percentage of people are complaining. Not to say it should be dismissed, but to say the hire wouldn't "tarnish" their rep. No one knows this guy. His podcast was in good jest but complete and utter ignorance of what China town is. He was ignorant and yet honest of what he felt about it.

Educate him. Educate others. Firing doesn't help the point being made.