To me the games where our obvious issues stand out are the hardest to take. I understand that if we had just a bad shooting night instead of our worst shooting night we'd be walking away with a W, but like I said, the result doesn't matter so much. Quin being completely inflexible and unwilling/unable to make adjustments is a serious problem and it was very evident tonight. Tonight was a huge reminder of that. It's an issue that should be taken as seriously as our defensive issues. We all know the playoffs are different from the RS. Our defense doesn't hold up and neither does Quin's one size fits all approach.
Game Thread Jan 17, 2022 08:30PM MT: Jazz at Lakers
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To me the games where our obvious issues stand out are the hardest to take. I understand that if we had just a bad shooting night instead of our worst shooting night we'd be walking away with a W, but like I said, the result doesn't matter so much. Quin being completely inflexible and unwilling/unable to make adjustments is a serious problem and it was very evident tonight. Tonight was a huge reminder of that. It's an issue that should be taken as seriously as our defensive issues. We all know the playoffs are different from the RS. Our defense doesn't hold up and neither does Quin's one size fits all approach.
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We really needed to let Lebron feel EP a bit. No idea why he didn’t play… was an ugly *** game… so one I’m sure he’d thrive in. Hell put him on Russ… he’d stay in front better than Royce.
I really need Quin to show me some of his super genius adjustments and experiments… I think he might just be a poor man’s Bud with better hair.
It was definitely odd that Paschall didn't get more minutes...especially with how he's been playing. I love Royce but I'm not sure he needs to be playing 35 minutes, give 7 or 8 of those to Paschall.
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His quote the other day was great… because it’s the opposite of how he manages the team. He’s just so rigid and I don’t know if it’s because he doesn’t have ideas or he’s too scared to fail.
I also saw the difference a perimeter defender who is up into your bizness like AB (though he’s lost a step or two) can make. You also see what happens with the energy thicc boy too in Stanley Johnson. Royce ain’t giving us that enough… it’s time to change up the mix a bit.
It just sucks cuz we had a chance to cause mega panic in LA and slew shot the ball like the Favs/Ricky teams.
Quin really needs to reign in Clarkson. He's shooting just 39.5% from the field, 31.5% from 3 and 48.9 effective field goal percentage, which according to Andy Larsen's latest article, is at least 5% worse than every other player on the team. No reason for this guy to have one of the greenest lights in the entire ****ing NBA. No other coach would put up with it.
I thought Royce was good tonight. There was a stretch of play where he was getting tips and deflections on seemingly every possession. The team as a whole played well on defense. He also hit a couple shots, which could not be said for most tonight.
Honestly, the Jazz lost to a freaking Stanley Johnson offensive outburst. I love Stanley Johnson and have believed in him not matter how bad he’s been. But we can’t let Stanley Johnson running a PnR as the ball handler destroy us. The first time was a beat quirk by the Lakers. But it can’t take you 5-6 possessions to figure out how to stop SJ running a PnR with no shooters around him. If Quin was alive he would have stumped that out after one possession, but he’s incapable. We got Terrance Mann’d again…but worse. A 5 put offense can be tough when 4/5 of your defenses can’t guard a cone. But there’s no way SJ running PnR with no shooters around him should unravel your defense. I don’t care how bad your players are you figure that **** out fast.
The Lakers have had their ups and downs this year, but over the years they’re really good at shrinking the court. Vogel knows what he’s doing and trains his players well. I thought their ability to help and recover was the key to their defense. They were rotating way faster than we could move the ball. I don’t know where the Lakers rank right now defensively, but I know they can turn it up on defense. They have that infrastructure and leadership from LeBron.
I do think our defensive issues are mostly talent centered. We’ve had good defense in the playoffs with good defensive talent. But we can’t divorce these bad habits from Quin. If we had Stanley Johnson, he probably would be staying home on THT like he’s prime Ray Allen while we give up open lanes to the basket.
I feel like SJ bumped into more people tonight than all of our wings combined. He knows he has to do that to make an impact. I’m fking dying watching JC do the same thing, except his idea of making an impact is trying to score at will and there’s no consequence for hijacking the offense.
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I don't go to Reddit, but that sounds a lot like it is here. Don gets questioned a lot and Rudy lauded.
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We don’t have House because flexibility and if we did have House, he wouldn’t be utilized because Quin.
Quin is at a point where he needs to be proved right. He’s had repeated bad outcomes that he believes is bad luck and an unfavorable roll of the dice that is unlikely to repeat. We’re at the point of tripling and quadrupling down on that. Quin has his guys. Personnel changes are worthless because 1) Quin has his guys and 2) the overachieving mental components remain the same.
The only two people who can save this season are Ainge and Alex Jensen. Anything else is window dressing.
It’s time for Ainge to come in and do the dirty work he was hired for and fire Quin. Alex Jensen has had a front-row seat to knowing what makes us successful and that can be continued. He’s also had a front-row seat to all this nonsense and may (or should) have an opinion on it that he probably can’t express as the mentee.
In medicine there’s a concept called the “number needed to treat,” which is a statistical measure that breaks down how many individuals you would have to give a certain intervention to for preventing or treating a certain condition. For instance, with antihypertensives, you’d have to treat 100 people with them to prevent one heart attack. Then there’s the “number needed to harm,” which is the opposite and measured for whatever particular outcome or condition you’re looking at. The question isn’t so much will something work but rather at what frequency and what’s the trade off. Quin’s going to keep running the same thing, believing that doing so he will eventually hit. The problem is that when it hits someone can feel vindicated and say, “See! I told you it works!!” How many times would Quin have to be given these same circumstances over and over for us to finally have a good outcome? On the flip side, how many times would you have to give Quin those circumstances to have a really bad outcome? Quin isn’t dynamic enough to change anything. 10 rolls of a pair of dice is probably big enough to give you a reasonable chance of rolling a particular number. But what if you don’t have 10 rolls? Are you content to play the numbers in small samples or do you want to go about loading the dice?
The window is narrow. Teams spend years trying to get where we are. Quin’s a large part of why we’re here. But how much of this window can we sacrifice with Quin’s “trust the simulation” method?
The window is narrow. Teams spend years trying to get where we are. Quin’s a large part of why we’re here. But how much of this window can we sacrifice with Quin’s “trust the simulation” method?