Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

[Elizah Huge]

I think Dallas would potentially give their 2025 1st if they were able to dump Bertans salary on Miami and take back Lowry/Strus. They were the favorites to land Lowry last year before he went to Miami.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I also agree with you HH on the fact that before the Gobert trade we were probably looking at 4 1sts and a couple pick swaps for Donovan. Just because Minnesota ponied up and paid 225 cents on the dollar doesn’t mean that’s the new going rate.

 

[Ineptimusprime]

I will die on the hill of wanting Herro.

Herro + Jovic + 23/27/29 unprotected 1sts + 24/26/28 pick swaps + an extra pick from somewhere else is super solid to me if the Knicks are playing hard ball.

Herro is a better piece than anything New York could include. I think we could flip him for something.

Miami just needs more picks to offer.

 

[Coach Ellis]

The other question is can Miami grab a pick using both or either of Strus/Lowry? It may just be posturing but Jake Fisher iirc said Herro has some fans in the Utah front office (also heard Herro would likely embrace the opportunity to be more of a focal point).

3 Miami picks unprotected + 3 unprotected pick swaps + 1 bonus pick from somewhere + Jovic + Herro or whatever he brings in a trade... its not horrible. I'd see how far you could get it down the road then leak the **** out of it to NY... they have to beat it... not match it.

I’m just imaging having some random twitter “insider” suggest that Miami upped their offer significantly and the Jazz are looking at that more favorably than the Knicks current offer.

The New York media would LOSE THEIR MINDS. Especially if it inevitably gets leaked that Donovan might actually prefer the Heat vs. the Knicks. Which is something I would fully expect to start hearing again if it looks like Miami might be back in the game.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Herro is a better piece than anything New York could include. I think we could flip him for something.

Miami just needs more picks to offer.

Well their unprotected picks are more valuable tha protected Knicks picks too. There are a lot of layers to this it’s crazy.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Herro is a better piece than anything New York could include. I think we could flip him for something.

Miami just needs more picks to offer.

Knicks unprotected picks are one if the most valuable commodities is professional sports. If the Jazz could essentially get 5 of those (3 unprotected picks and 2 swaps). . . who knows what that might yield. I still think the deal gets done with NY, but they’re going to actually have to pay the price of acquiring a star. They don’t get him at a discount.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I will die on the hill of wanting Herro.

Herro + Jovic + 23/27/29 unprotected 1sts + 24/26/28 pick swaps + an extra pick from somewhere else is super solid to me if the Knicks are playing hard ball.

He's really good. I think he's still not enough that he messes up the tank. If he regresses then its not great. If he takes a step forward he's like a Zach Lavine level scorer and isn't as reliant on athleticism. He's a start.

He has to get paid but you could acquire him and negotiate a deal that starts at the Max (so he can stay a max player) and then have it descend by 8%... by the time the cap matters for us again in 3 years he's on a 25Mish deal... and the cap will have gone up. It should be an awesome value.

The tattoo he got is horrible though. The nickname "Machine Gun Herro" is fantastic though... captures his on and off the court personas.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Knicks unprotected picks are one if the most valuable commodities is professional sports. If the Jazz could essentially get 5 of those (3 unprotected picks and 2 swaps). . . who knows what that might yield. I still think the deal gets done with NY, but their going to actually have to pay the price of acquiring a star. They don’t get him at a discount.

it sounds like that is the holdup... if they really won't give those up when push comes to shove then their offer isn't nearly as sexy.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

My firm belief is that Ainge wanted to ship out Rudy, Don and anybody else regardless of what Rudy or Don wanted.

Now, our organization has missed any opportunity of building around Donovan Mitchell. No, Donovan didn't force Ainge's hand. This is what Ainge wanted all along. He wanted a blank slate. Coach, then stars then remaining roster.

After watching Mitchell play for the last 2 years, I think missing an opportunity to build around him is essentially the same thing as missing an opportunity to build around Monta Ellis.

So if Ainge doesn't care about what Don thinks, that feels correct to me. That feels appropriate. Mitchell's shooting makes him chuck steak.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Add Jovic coming to us + 24/26/28 pick swaps and this is beautiful.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

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Add Jovic coming to us + 24/26/28 pick swaps and this is beautiful.

Heat can keep Gabe... but yeah if the options are this trade or go into training camp with Donovan then I will take this trade. If it gets to the Red Zone that is when Knicks will bring their real and final offer and they will have to consider not getting the guy they are waiting on... that is when you get 4 unprotected picks IQ, Toppin, and a couple other picks.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Heat can keep Gabe... but yeah if the options are this trade or go into training camp with Donovan then I will take this trade. If it gets to the Red Zone that is when Knicks will bring their real and final offer and they will have to consider not getting the guy they are waiting on... that is when you get 4 unprotected picks IQ, Toppin, and a couple other picks.

Vincent was the placeholder for Jovic since Jovic can’t be traded until 30 days have passed or whatever.

I just am super high on Herro. Like you said his contract will look awfully favorable in 2-3 years.