Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

[Handlogten's Heros]

Vincent was the placeholder for Jovic since Jovic can’t be traded until 30 days have passed or whatever.

I just am super high on Herro. Like you said his contract will look awfully favorable in 2-3 years.

Even with him on the books at the max we will have 35-50M in cap space... can only really take so much in salary dumps to get picks. Its a fine use of space... you have to pay someone. If he takes a step forward he looks like a poor man's Booker... if he stays where he's at then his like a 3rd best player on a contender type. I see no real reason for him to be worse than he is already unless he gets hurt. I think the descending salary will look solid. He can put up 25/5/5 a night on a tank squad and increase his value to us and him.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Vincent was the placeholder for Jovic since Jovic can’t be traded until 30 days have passed or whatever.

I just am super high on Herro. Like you said his contract will look awfully favorable in 2-3 years.

Herro is fine to me. I dont mind maxing out players who arent totally worth it, that's part of the NBA. You hope they become worth it at some point. He just isnt great for the timeline.

You somehow get lucky and draft Victor and you got Herro, you might already be better than the 10th pick (which is what our pick in 2024 is protected for).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Herro is fine to me. I dont mind maxing out players who arent totally worth it, that's part of the NBA. You hope they become worth it at some point. He just isnt great for the timeline.

You somehow get lucky and draft Victor and you got Herro, you might already be better than the 10th pick (which is what our pick in 2024 is protected for).

If that is the case and you have Victor/Herro/**** ton of prospects/ **** ton of picks/ **** ton of cap space... then I don't care that much about the pick going to OKC. Even the best rookies will struggle to make a big difference in the standings, so likely could avoid it conveying through nefarious behavior.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Herro is fine to me. I dont mind maxing out players who arent totally worth it, that's part of the NBA. You hope they become worth it at some point. He just isnt great for the timeline.

You somehow get lucky and draft Victor and you got Herro, you might already be better than the 10th pick (which is what our pick in 2024 is protected for).

If Herro and Wemby are fighting for a play-in spot his rookie year than that might not necessarily be a bad problem to have since they’d be pretty good already.

Ideally though I agree and understand.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Herro is fine to me. I dont mind maxing out players who arent totally worth it, that's part of the NBA. You hope they become worth it at some point. He just isnt great for the timeline.

You somehow get lucky and draft Victor and you got Herro, you might already be better than the 10th pick (which is what our pick in 2024 is protected for).

If you got him now I think you could still trade for another guy on a designated player extension... because he still has one more cheap year. You could start him at the max and go out 5 years and it can go all the way down to 22M by year 5. Could give him 5/136M and when the cap really matters he makes 27/24.5/22. Adjust that for cap inflation and it gives you a great asset.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Well their unprotected picks are more valuable tha protected Knicks picks too. There are a lot of layers to this it’s crazy.

I don’t see any way possible that Heat picks are more valuable than Knick picks - History tells us the exact opposite. Only once since 2010 have the Heat picked higher than the Knicks. I wouldn’t count on that to change.

2022 Draft
Knicks - 11
Heat - 27
2021 Draft *
Knicks - 19
Heat - 18
2020 Draft
Knicks - 08
Heat - 20
2019 Draft
Knicks - 03
Heat - 13
2018 Draft
Knicks - 09
Heat - 16
2017 Draft
Knicks - 08
Heat - 14
2016 Draft
Knicks - 07
Miami - 24
2015 Draft
Knicks - 04
Heat - 10
2014 Draft
Knicks - 12
Heat - 26
2013 Draft
Knicks - 24
Heat - 30
2012 Draft
Knicks - 16
Heat - 27
2011 Draft
Knicks - 17
Heat - 28
2010 Draft
Knicks - 09
Heat - 18

Average Draft Position Since 2010
Knicks - 11.3
Heat - 20.8

# of times in the Lottery since 2010
Knicks - 9 (including two top 5 picks)
Heat - 3 (lowest was #10)

# of times picked 20 or higher
Knicks - 1
Heat - 7

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Tyler Herro's girlfriend is worth some unprotected picks

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don’t see any way possible that Heat picks are more valuable than Knick picks - History tells us the exact opposite. Only once since 2010 have the Heat picked higher than the Knicks. I wouldn’t count on that to change.

2022 Draft
Knicks - 11
Heat - 27
2021 Draft *
Knicks - 19
Heat - 18
2020 Draft
Knicks - 08
Heat - 20
2019 Draft
Knicks - 03
Heat - 13
2018 Draft
Knicks - 09
Heat - 16
2017 Draft
Knicks - 08
Heat - 14
2016 Draft
Knicks - 07
Miami - 24
2015 Draft
Knicks - 04
Heat - 10
2014 Draft
Knicks - 12
Heat - 26
2013 Draft
Knicks - 24
Heat - 30
2012 Draft
Knicks - 16
Heat - 27
2011 Draft
Knicks - 17
Heat - 28
2010 Draft
Knicks - 09
Heat - 18

Average Draft Position Since 2010
Knicks - 11.3
Heat - 20.8

# of times in the Lottery since 2010
Knicks - 9 (including two top 5 picks)
Heat - 3 (lowest was #10)

# of times picked 20 or higher
Knicks - 1
Heat - 7

Now pull out the ones that hit top 5 and see where it lands... because that is the issue. You may lose a pick entirely in that scenario depending on how it is set up.

I get there is value in jumping 8-9 spots.. if there are protections on those picks you remove some of the upside and sparkle. Lotto odds have also shifted the last two years so the Knicks may finish 8/9 and jump into the protection zone more often.


I VERY MUCH prefer unprotected Knicks picks... I really do. If they only do 23/25 and like top 5/10 protection on 27/29 then it gets less juicy and closes the gap.

Herro, Jovic, Yurt are better than IQ/Toppin/McBride.

So they need to come with the unprotected picks (at least 3) and/or Grimes to make it work imo.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

I don’t see any way possible that Heat picks are more valuable than Knick picks - History tells us the exact opposite. Only once since 2010 have the Heat picked higher than the Knicks. I wouldn’t count on that to change.

2022 Draft
Knicks - 11
Heat - 27
2021 Draft *
Knicks - 19
Heat - 18
2020 Draft
Knicks - 08
Heat - 20
2019 Draft
Knicks - 03
Heat - 13
2018 Draft
Knicks - 09
Heat - 16
2017 Draft
Knicks - 08
Heat - 14
2016 Draft
Knicks - 07
Miami - 24
2015 Draft
Knicks - 04
Heat - 10
2014 Draft
Knicks - 12
Heat - 26
2013 Draft
Knicks - 24
Heat - 30
2012 Draft
Knicks - 16
Heat - 27
2011 Draft
Knicks - 17
Heat - 28
2010 Draft
Knicks - 09
Heat - 18

Average Draft Position Since 2010
Knicks - 11.3
Heat - 20.8

# of times in the Lottery since 2010
Knicks - 9 (including two top 5 picks)
Heat - 3 (lowest was #10)

# of times picked 20 or higher
Knicks - 1
Heat - 7

Sold. Knicks or bust for me. Hold Donovan out for all I care. Make it a Simmons situation. Squeeze NY. If Spida cooperates, then he plays the David Robinson Admiral role just, 2 by land and none by sea.

Besides wasn't one of the 3rd Reich's Panzer divisions called Spinnengewebe?

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

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Tyler Herro's girlfriend is worth some unprotected picks

She definitely looks like she’s worth some highly protected picks.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I don’t see any way possible that Heat picks are more valuable than Knick picks - History tells us the exact opposite. Only once since 2010 have the Heat picked higher than the Knicks. I wouldn’t count on that to change.

2022 Draft
Knicks - 11
Heat - 27
2021 Draft *
Knicks - 19
Heat - 18
2020 Draft
Knicks - 08
Heat - 20
2019 Draft
Knicks - 03
Heat - 13
2018 Draft
Knicks - 09
Heat - 16
2017 Draft
Knicks - 08
Heat - 14
2016 Draft
Knicks - 07
Miami - 24
2015 Draft
Knicks - 04
Heat - 10
2014 Draft
Knicks - 12
Heat - 26
2013 Draft
Knicks - 24
Heat - 30
2012 Draft
Knicks - 16
Heat - 27
2011 Draft
Knicks - 17
Heat - 28
2010 Draft
Knicks - 09
Heat - 18

Average Draft Position Since 2010
Knicks - 11.3
Heat - 20.8

# of times in the Lottery since 2010
Knicks - 9 (including two top 5 picks)
Heat - 3 (lowest was #10)

# of times picked 20 or higher
Knicks - 1
Heat - 7

I think you may have read it wrong. I said Heat unprotected picks are more valuable than Knicks protected picks.

 

[LoPo]

I just don't the logic most of you are following:

- so it's been "leaking" the entire season from "Don's people" that it's only a matter of time before he asks out of Utah

- then we hit this summer, Quin leaves, Ainge starts blowing up the roster, and y'all say Don's image is "too clean" to ask to be dealt?

You can't have it both ways. Either he's been angling for a chance to leave all along and would be pushing for this move (through like a KD type request) OR he never intended on leaving anytime soon and just wanted to see what Ainge is going to do. Don's image has literally been taking damage nonstop the last year, and he hasn't demanded anything. He's taking hits right now from people in the media and he's still keeping his head above it. Almost every other star in the NBA would be publicly upset about the future of the franchise. All he has said is that he was "unnerved" that Quin left.