FalseFlagg K
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Does the Knicks possibly losing a pick for tampering throw a spanner in the works ??
Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones
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Thee Jazz Fan
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Hi
rjfan
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People talk as If the Jazz need to trade Donovan to commit to tank for this season
I don't see the current roster fighting for a play in spot (right now Blazers is better than us, a healthy Lakers should be, and who knows what will be off the Westbrook saga, and maybe even Kings and OKC may have more talent overall than us). With some trades that should be expected (Bogey and Beverley) even If Donovan isn't traded by trade deadline, it's easy for us to be losing as many games as any team in the West that isn't located in Texas, and looking East, the worst two records got more talent coming in rather than going out.
I don't see the current roster fighting for a play in spot (right now Blazers is better than us, a healthy Lakers should be, and who knows what will be off the Westbrook saga, and maybe even Kings and OKC may have more talent overall than us). With some trades that should be expected (Bogey and Beverley) even If Donovan isn't traded by trade deadline, it's easy for us to be losing as many games as any team in the West that isn't located in Texas, and looking East, the worst two records got more talent coming in rather than going out.
Thee Jazz Fan
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Dok// Kessler
Bogey// vando
Beasley// Italian dude
Mitchell// JC
Conley//Beverly
They could also work a sign and trade for Sexton. There’s something there. Quite honestly this roster could go one way or another. At the very least I see this team fighting for a play in bid.
On another strange note. The Dok pick is finally relevant lol
Dok sucks. I'd rather throw Kessler into the fire or just bring back Whiteside.
Park Bites
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OMG I am soooo ready for this trade to happen. It is driving me nuts.
FrenchJazzFa
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Do not forget the main point. To avoid Don depression, it must get more pick than Rudy 
Since the Rudy trade, I’ve gone from:
- Wanting to use our newfound assets to retool around Don.
- To reluctantly embracing a Don to NY deal and all of the draft assets that would come with it.
- Back to wanting to keep Don and telling NY to go **** themselves.
At this point, I just can’t think of anything more funny than the fallout headed the Knicks way should they botch bringing the golden boy home when he was there for the taking.
I’m sure most fans on here will disagree with me, but I think the odds of Utah rebuilding around Don to the point where he stays put and we’re legit contenders in a year or 2 is probably just as mathematically possible as trading both Don and Rudy and completing a rebuild that sees the Jazz better off than they were prior to said rebuild.
rjfan
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I don't think it makes sense to go after Sexton if you don't move Mitchell (i also think you'd still have to move off at least two of Conley, JC and Beasley, and not be banking on Butler, but this summer league was really about Butler letting us down) as that partnership is as doomed defensively as Mitchell and Conley is (or Lillard and McCollum was). Also can't see a Beasley or Clarkson as SF being winning basketball for long stretches, especially if not playing alongside Beverley (who should be expected to be moved). Vanderbilt can defend, but he can't shoot (nor really be counted on to dribble or pass), anytime he's on the court it's an automatic double on Mitchell or whoever is our best player on the court (or simply an extra man clogging the paint). Dok and Kessler could be decent, but i wouldn't bet much on that (Doke had some flashes last season, but can he stay healthy ? If so, can he avoid foul trouble, hack strategies and show enough cardio ? And Kessler is a young rookie at a position that usually takes longer for develop even for higher picks, let alone at the 20s). A too guard heavy rotation (with just one among five names there known for his defense) with a terrible frontcourt and bigman rotation. That's a feasible one of the worst defenses of the league, without an elite offense to counter.
Also, i'd be much more concerned if i thought higher of this roster as of now. To be able to go to the bottom of the league is waaaay better to me than having that much hability to pretend to be in a play-in race with a mostly low upside veteran roster. A team like OKC could benefit off a play-in game or two, even the Kings could. Us ? That would be many valuables picks worse for a core of too much guys above 30 that ain't great (nor at great value at their deal), some "not so old to younger" average-ish role players and just one young star. Try to compete now would be the ultimate Knicks/Kings season (or this past Wizards season), and it's hard to sell me that we should be aquiring players instead of assets at this point.
rjfan
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I don't think we should need to feel pressed to trade for Donovan, as, at the worst, if anyone is interested at offering a haul as Ainge is demanding right now, we'll still be able to demand for 3 firsts, some swaps and some combination of young players and later tradeable role players for salary matching, even if he asks out (which i believe should be expected either if we do just okay for a 9th place and play-in tournment success or overall bottom out the league), as there will still be another two guaranteed years on his contract for a player that should put some big numbers next season.
That couldn't happen until September.