Shams is reporting the Jazz side. Woj is reporting the Knicks/Don/CAA side.
Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones
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Shams is reporting the Jazz side. Woj is reporting the Knicks/Don/CAA side.
The Knicks are delusional. They have NOTHING a third team like the Lakers would want. The Jazz have better pieces that a contender would want than the Knicks. If there is a team willing to give up 2 unprotected picks in order to facilitate a Donovan Mitchell trade to the Knicks, then they should be much more willing to give them for the Jazz pieces than the Knicks albatrosses - Randle, Fournier... Why would the Jazz just gift that value to the Knicks? This makes zero sense. A team like Miami is much more likely to be able to offer something a contender that the Jazz wouldn't want right now, but would be able to fetch some picks - i.e. something like Tyler Herro.
So the Wiz deal is three unprotected (conditional if the first conveys) and 2 to 3 complicated but designed to be high value swaps for the Jazz. I would do that deal in a heartbeat. We are going to have low value first rounders, but with those swaps they turn into high value picks. Moving up the draft from a low value position to a high value spot usually costs 2 to 3 picks anyway. Do it!
Avery
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Here's why Ainge has any advantage: he doesn't give a **** about what Donovan wants.
If the Knicks have the best deal, he's a Knick. If it's the Wiz, he's going to the nation's capitol.
You can bet dollars to donuts that Donovan is pressuring the **** out of CAA to get him to NY and that they'll be in Rose's ears daily. I wouldn't be one bit surprised to see them come up to three unprotected and to stop trying to dump Randle on us and other bad debt.
If the Knicks have the best deal, he's a Knick. If it's the Wiz, he's going to the nation's capitol.
You can bet dollars to donuts that Donovan is pressuring the **** out of CAA to get him to NY and that they'll be in Rose's ears daily. I wouldn't be one bit surprised to see them come up to three unprotected and to stop trying to dump Randle on us and other bad debt.
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I think its clear neither Rose or Ainge want to say 3 unprotected picks first. That becomes the baseline of the negotiations. I think Rose was offering something that Ainge could build a counter offer around.
I think this is probably kinda mostly correct (as Tony is with The Athletic/Shams).
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I'm not sure its that simple. Woj is pretty connected with JZ too. He plays both sides of the fence I think. Shams and Woj are both consistent with what has been offered and that RJ could still be in the deal.
I get how that can happen, but they gotta have some back-channel negotiators get drunk and locked in a room together to breakthrough the stalemate. I just refuse to believe that neither side will go to 3 when it's all said and done.
Engorged On Unborn Gore
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We will see. Let's talk again when New York actually moves past mediocrity.
Gaining a bunch of assets, and then totally squandering them, is still on the table rn.
margodydek
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No idea if this site factors in the poison pill provision, but if this is doable, then this is my guess as to how this ultimately shakes out, based on everything that's been reported and everything's that happened so far. Maybe a super swap or something is thrown in as well.
Hearsky
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I understand as a fan wanting to get this done and over. But patience is huge part of big balls negotiating. It's almost like none of you watched The Karate Kid.