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Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

Looking at the deal from Minnesota, I’d start with that and then hold out for better value across the board.

23/25/27 picks unprotected
29 pick (top 5 protected)
23 pick from Dallas (top 10 protected)
26/28 pick swaps
Quickley, Grimes and Toppin (plus Fournier for salary matching purposes)

That’s one extra draft pick, one extra pick swap and better value on the 3 players coming back
Quickley, Grimes & Toppin > Bolmaro, Kessler & Vanderbilt
 
I like the original deal, but I don’t care that much about the players coming back… I say NY can swap out any player they want besides grimes for another FRP and we got a deal. They can even swap out multiple players for multiple FRP besides Grimes.


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My point is they aren’t much different and it’s weird to say they will do everything but not that thing? Why? Because you said so… cool.

I mean, I had plenty of reasons why including the thing that differentiates the two. But sure, because I said so. We can throw out the entire conversation because "I said so".
 
Looking at the deal from Minnesota, I’d start with that and then hold out for better value across the board.

23/25/27 picks unprotected
29 pick (top 5 protected)
23 pick from Dallas (top 10 protected)
26/28 pick swaps
Quickley, Grimes and Toppin (plus Fournier for salary matching purposes)

That’s one extra draft pick, one extra pick swap and better value on the 3 players coming back
Quickley, Grimes & Toppin > Bolmaro, Kessler & Vanderbilt

I like it.
 
Is there any free agents in 2023 that are buddies with Mitchell or good enough to turn NY around? I dont think RJ and Mitchell make them a good team. They would need another star there. I guess maybe a Lebron signing could be huge, but unlikely. Also I dont know how good Lebron will be wont he be 40 by then? haha. I guess they could go after like Wiggins and another players. Robinson is decent center for them but also doesnt space the floor much. Randle sucks, but maybe he gets hot again from 3 like 2 years ago and helps them with a core of Mitchell, RJ, FA, Randle or other FA, and Robinson. That could be a solid team for a few years in the East.

Not really. Someone like D'lo Russell or Kyle Kuzma won't change who the Knicks are. Knicks should also be capped out with Randle, Mitchell and Brunson deals weighing on their books.
 
Not really. Someone like D'lo Russell or Kyle Kuzma won't change who the Knicks are. Knicks should also be capped out with Randle, Mitchell and Brunson deals weighing on their books.

Yeah, they’d have 109M committed to Mitchell, Brunson, Randle, Robinson and Hartenstein alone.

Barrett is also going to get an extension. They won’t have any cap space to sign anyone for more than the MLE.
 
I mean, I had plenty of reasons why including the thing that differentiates the two. But sure, because I said so. We can throw out the entire conversation because "I said so".
You also indicate it’s the most valuable pick… then why the **** don’t we get it… the Knicks picks are the steak of this meal. The compromise on those picks was we let them keep Barrett. It’s what 10% more valuable than 27… but is off limits? Nah… if they were that concerned they would put some protections on the other picks.

It’s just weird for the Knicks to be like… we will give all this other stuff but that 2029 pick absolutely not… there’s too much that can happen in 2028 and 2029. For the Jazz I’d honestly pass on 2 out of three of Quickley/Grimes/Toppin if I had to… those picks are more important than the young side piece players.
 
i think you're about to see the new york knicks give a historic draft picks package for mitchell. THey need a star and they need it now, a young star at that.
 
i think you're about to see the new york knicks give a historic draft picks package for mitchell. THey need a star and they need it now, a young star at that.

Meanwhile KD is crying because nobody is offering a historical amount of pics for him.


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