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Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

I could give a **** about any of the players rumored to be in the deal, the only thing that matters it the picks.

The Heat are a very good franchise, the Knicks are a garbage franchise.

The NYK picks are the prize here. Miami's picks are not.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
One small thing in this deal to watch... NY has a good amount of second round picks. I might try and snake a couple of those as minor as it sounds. I think some of our guys like JC, Bogey, Vando could net firsts but some might need a second with them to get a first... I would try to sneak a couple of those to grease the wheels on those deals.
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Opportunities to restock the cupboard with 2nd rounders will not be in short supply but I think the Jazz should seize every one that they can. They don't get a lot of shine as an asset in huge deals, but they spike in value when there's a flurry of activity or perhaps when you catch a team (like the Jazz) that don't have any 2nds.

That's a long way of me saying that I'm in agreement.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah, Miami's offer would a bunt that grounds out to the pitcher and the Knicks offer would be a grand slam.

IDK how anyone can remotely think this.
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If they could get a 1st for Lowry and a 1st for Strus then it is in the same ballpark at least.

23/27/29 unprotected 1sts
24/26/28 pick swaps

2 other 1sts from other teams

Herro and 5 1sts plus 3 pick swaps is definitely in the same ballpark.

We would much rather have the Knicks picks in their package if all things were equal. They can obviously give us more and without having to do anything else.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
not really a question of herro and grimes. it's a question of picks in terms of number and value.

herro is likely better now than grimes will ever be.
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It's also timeline.

I dont think Herro could elevate us that much, but maybe we do get Vic in the 2023 draft. Would Herro+Vic make us win too many games and lose our 2024 pick?

I think the dream is two years of being painfully bad and a gradual increase until you have to pay Vic his 2nd contract, then you start pushing your assets in to get as much talent as possible around Victor.
 
Elizah Huge said:
If they could get a 1st for Lowry and a 1st for Strus then it is in the same ballpark at least.

23/27/29 unprotected 1sts
24/26/28 pick swaps

2 other 1sts from other teams

Herro and 5 1sts plus 3 pick swaps is definitely in the same ballpark.

We would much rather have the Knicks picks in their package if all things were equal. They can obviously give us more and without having to do anything else.
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If the Jazz havent figured out how to get a 1st for Mike Conley yet, there is no way the Heat are getting a first for Strus or Lowry. It's just not a thing that is going to happen. Plus the Miami picks are objectively lower value, so even if the straight # is the same, the perceived value is still lower. Plus the Knicks have younger picks.

IDK why we talking about Miami when the only reason Miami is talked about on National TV as a suitor is just because they are Miami. They dont have the necessary value to get a deal done with Utah.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
If the Jazz havent figured out how to get a 1st for Mike Conley yet, there is no way the Heat are getting a first for Strus or Lowry. It's just not a thing that is going to happen. Plus the Miami picks are objectively lower value, so even if the straight # is the same, the perceived value is still lower. Plus the Knicks have younger picks.

IDK why we talking about Miami when the only reason Miami is talked about on National TV as a suitor is just because they are Miami. They dont have the necessary value to get a deal done with Utah.
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I mean if they called up the Lakers and offered Lowry/Robinson for Westbrook and their 27/29 1sts maybe they do it I’m not sure.

Andy mentioned the Heat as a possible suitor so that alone is reason to talk about it.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah, Miami's offer would a bunt that grounds out to the pitcher and the Knicks offer would be a grand slam.

IDK how anyone can remotely think this.
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It depends on what NY's offer is and what Herro turns into. If Knicks indeed are protecting the 27 pick and not including the 29 pick then the Heat picks and swaps completely unprotected plus a rich offer from a team getting Herro starts to get interesting.

The Knicks mega package is the top prize we should shoot for. But if Orlando threw in the two picks they own from Denver and Chicago or one of those picks and a 25 pick of their own lightly protected then it gets in the ballpark of a somewhat protected picks package from NY.

At very least send Miami out to see what they can get for Herro, Strus, Lowry and use it to get the NY package done. Herro is a polarizing player per some nba experts... some see him as potential all star and some see him as Lou Will. If you found a team willing to give 2-3 decent picks for him then its okay. Not sure that is really out there but I'd want them to go see what is there.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If Miami can parlay Lowry, Herro, Strus into something good they can get in the ballpark with the Knicks.
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Elizah Huge said:
If they could get a 1st for Lowry and a 1st for Strus then it is in the same ballpark at least.

23/27/29 unprotected 1sts
24/26/28 pick swaps

2 other 1sts from other teams

Herro and 5 1sts plus 3 pick swaps is definitely in the same ballpark.

We would much rather have the Knicks picks in their package if all things were equal. They can obviously give us more and without having to do anything else.
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Don't really see how Lowry and Strus yield 2 useful picks by themselves (Lowry isn't a positive contract at this point).

But maybe something like this?:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29f9s75l

Miami gets: DM
Jazz get Westbrook
Lakers get: Lowry, Strus, Herro, Gay, NAW

Plus 2027 & 2029 picks from Lakers and 3 picks from Heat coming back to Jazz?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
If the Jazz havent figured out how to get a 1st for Mike Conley yet, there is no way the Heat are getting a first for Strus or Lowry. It's just not a thing that is going to happen. Plus the Miami picks are objectively lower value, so even if the straight # is the same, the perceived value is still lower. Plus the Knicks have younger picks.

IDK why we talking about Miami when the only reason Miami is talked about on National TV as a suitor is just because they are Miami. They dont have the necessary value to get a deal done with Utah.
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I think Lowry has more value than Mike in some situations. Can just say he was hurt this year and he had some personal stuff going on.

I think it benefits our negotiations with NY to keep Miami out searching for deals to make it work. Stranger things have happened.
 
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