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Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

Bawse Dawg said:
I’m fine taking Randle if they attach more picks/players btw. The salary doesn’t hurt us at all. And he’s a tank commander and/or a guy who can rehab his value a bit with some opportunity on an awful team. I don’t know why he’s treated like absolute poison. We want the Jazz to suck.
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The biggest issue to me is that the Jazz are going to have some young guys come into the club that are going to need to get paid 2nd contracts. As soon as that starts happening, cap space disappears. It would be nice to have one season of max cap space to see what DA can do with it. Randle costs $27 million on the books that year. I’d rather that be in NY instead of Utah. Let him be their tank commander or albatross. At least Fournier has a team option that season. I’d MUCH rather have that on the books the next two seasons and then open up that space heading into the 2024 offseason.
 
The knicks have zero leverage. Donovan’s value won’t drop if I’m Ainge I just hold off. Donovan will hold his value and the knicks will look ridiculous if they don’t make a deal happen. They can’t afford to miss out on another all star and more importantly all knicks fans want a deal.
 
cowhide said:
Danny must be doing something right. People are pissed at him for the Rudy deal. LOL.. If he closes the NY deal, he will go down a legend perhaps to the HOF for Executive of the decade. He might even have a statute built for him. LMAO!!!!!!:p I see the reason for the anger because he has destroyed the market with the Rudy deal. Not his fault blame Minnesota. They are the ones who fell under Danny's spell and coughed up all the draft picks.
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I mean Rudy was going to play hard and not bitch no matter where he was traded. There is extra value in that. It is why no one wants to pay KDs asking price. With New York, they are going to play a premium because they know he won't want out, probably ever. He's already a part of that community. Imagine the price Utah would have paid to bring in Jimmer if he were a top 25 player.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
I’m fine taking Randle if they attach more picks/players btw. The salary doesn’t hurt us at all. And he’s a tank commander and/or a guy who can rehab his value a bit with some opportunity on an awful team. I don’t know why he’s treated like absolute poison. We want the Jazz to suck.
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No, our draft picks depend upon them being stuck with Randals contract.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
I’m fine taking Randle if they attach more picks/players btw. The salary doesn’t hurt us at all. And he’s a tank commander and/or a guy who can rehab his value a bit with some opportunity on an awful team. I don’t know why he’s treated like absolute poison. We want the Jazz to suck.
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Four years is a long time to have that much salary tied up. I'd rather the Jazz have salary flexibility.
 
Max Porter said:
The knicks have zero leverage. Donovan’s value won’t drop if I’m Ainge I just hold off. Donovan will hold his value and the knicks will look ridiculous if they don’t make a deal happen. They can’t afford to miss out on another all star and more importantly all knicks fans want a deal.
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The only leverage they have is if they think they can take their current rosters to a great 1st half start.
 
Coach Ellis said:
The biggest issue to me is that the Jazz are going to have some young guys come into the club that are going to need to get paid 2nd contracts. As soon as that starts happening, cap space disappears. It would be nice to have one season of max cap space to see what DA can do with it. Randle costs $27 million on the books that year. I’d rather that be in NY instead of Utah. Let him be their tank commander or albatross. At least Fournier has a team option that season. I’d MUCH rather have that on the books the next two seasons and then open up that space heading into the 2024 offseason.
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That's kind of the beauty of having so many picks. If rookies need to get paid for that 2nd contract they make good trade assets to other teams, either packaged with a pick to get a really good player once we're in win-now mode or whatever and we can use our picks to keep bringing in new players on rookie deals hoping to land a winner. If they're worth that second good contract and the Jazz are looking like possible contenders you don't have to overpay because you have options.
 
Coach Ellis said:
The biggest issue to me is that the Jazz are going to have some young guys come into the club that are going to need to get paid 2nd contracts. As soon as that starts happening, cap space disappears. It would be nice to have one season of max cap space to see what DA can do with it. Randle costs $27 million on the books that year. I’d rather that be in NY instead of Utah. Let him be their tank commander or albatross. At least Fournier has a team option that season. I’d MUCH rather have that on the books the next two seasons and then open up that space heading into the 2024 offseason.
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This is why I want a couple of those Knick younglings. You need to start discovering talent now because the longer you let the tank go, you eventually start piling up extensions and blowing your capspace and losing assets. You want to start competing while those extra picks are still coming in, not after.
 
I read on Twitter that the Jazz have informed the Heat that the negotiations have been terminated. It sounds like the Knicks have conceded a major demand of the Jazz and are now haggling over the finer points.
 
I think DA needs to hold out until Grimes and Toppin are included along with the required picks. If they get anything else above that. . . it’s gravy.
 
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