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Jazz ban 2nd fan for calling Westbrook "boy"

What I couldn't believe was the music I was hearing during the pregame and timeout occasions that was suppose to be "family" oriented and basically relaxing! They had some hip-hop slop dummy rapping F this and F that! Totally disgusting and gross! But using the word "Boy" gets you suspended, possibly for life?
 
NAOS said:
getting him to stfu would hardly be useless. If anybody is taking his particular brand of "middle of the road" to heart, then that aint good. In short, he should stfu.
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Whatever you say
 
carolinajazz said:
I've had black guys call/say to me "hey dog!" Now THAT'S demeaning! But black guys use that expression ALL THE TIME, both to each other and to white guys! Calling a person a "dog" is about as low as you can get! In Bible History, dogs were the most unclean of animals and were never let inside the gates of Jerusalem nor could they be "cuddled" or allowed to lick your face!
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Seriously, do you really think that has the same meaning today?
 
One Brow said:
Point out to me that last time this happened.
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I guarantee you if you watch games often enough or hell even ESPN highlights you can read lips from the sidelines with players celebrating and saying that. That's why I said context is important. I don't believe the fan was right, he was definitely trying to get under Russell's skin and make him angry, but my point, again, was and is about context. And to say or act like players don't use that specific phrase that I noted is just willful blindness.
 
Scat said:
I don't think the steps that the Jazz have taken recently are a bad thing but the t-shirts worn by the players tonight made me feel like the Jazz are trying too hard and it felt over the top.
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You, obviously, are white.


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One Brow said:
If the guy next to you is yelling racist stuff, and you are not saying anything, the guy next to you is making you look bad. If you don't like it, don't show up for Jazz games. The crowd is treated as, and often acts like, a single entity, and what others do and you don't object to reflects on you.



So, you don't mind when people refer to you as a knuckle-walking low-browed self-blinding bonobo? I mean, if you object, just let me know, because I would not want to call you that if it was offensive to you. Of course, since you are not going to get all hypersensitive and PC on me, you won't bother to object, right?



Anyone can be prejudiced (and pretty much everyone is), and anyone can be bigoted. Racism involves the social power structure, and you can only be racist when supporting that power structure. So, black people are racist when they show bigotry to other black people (for example, Jesse Lee Peterson), but since the power structures favor white people the most, white people can not be the victims of racism (although they can be the victims of prejudice and bigotry).



If you were really respectful of all people, you wouldn't need to be guilted into fighting racism, you would be doing it out of you respect for all people.



I'm sure it is making things worse for you. It's making things better for me.
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Well put. This 100%.


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I like the steps that have been taken and I like the shirts but they do feel like overcompensation and as if they’re saying, “Look, we’re not racist here in Utah!” when the recent events and historical commentary from NBA players says otherwise.

And no, I’m not saying y’all are racists.
 
I have no doubt that fans at other arenas yell racial epithets at players. That said, Utah has a reputation, and this reputation is that it is white, ultra-conservative, and Mormon, with Mormons having a rather sordid history in its treatment of blacks. Hence, the suggestion that people in Utah tend toward the racist end of the spectrum is easy for people to believe. Owing in large part to this reputation, players (and public at large) have formed preconceptions, rightly or wrongly, about the people here. Thus, they are on the lookout, and particularly sensitive, to anything that serves to reinforce these preconceptions . Thus while fans in, say, Orlando may also yell racial epithets, players will take less notice than if people in Salt Lake due, because in the latter case, they reinforce preconceptions, whereas in the former case, they do not. As a general rule, when people have formed pre-conceptions, they tend to latch onto what reinforces those preconceptions, often given them grossly disproportionate weight, while ignoring, or giving less weight, to what contradicts those preconceptions. That's just human nature.

I don't believe the normal rules of civility apply to sports arenas, stadiums, etc., e.g., we don't normally boo people we don't like or stand up and cheer for our friends in public. But the rules of civility are not completely tossed out the window. However, yelling racial epithets, or calling African American players names with clear historial racist connotations like "boy," clearly cross any reasonable line one would care to draw regarding rules of civility in sporting arenas. It's not that hard to figure out.

Good for the Jazz for making an example of these racist buffoons. Now, if only we'd do the same on this board with our our racist buffoons...looking at you Carolina Jazz.
 
firegirl said:
You, obviously, are white.


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So? To often this “you’re white” game is simply an attempt to silence whites on the subject of racism because their opinion on how to move forward is different. Stop it. When you silence a group like that it’ll lead nowhere good.

In this specific example, you’re right. He is probable ignorant (not an attack. A statement of his unknowing) of the context and history of the word.

But you can keep the “you’re white” line. No thanks.
 
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