Jazz front runner for Conley

[framer]

It is simply a fact. They play well together when they have 3 others that can shoot on the court and always have. They dont play well with Rubio at PG. If we add a shooting PG they can play more together and still have Favors play as backup C. Favors was easily our best player in the playoffs this year and was easily our 3rd best player for the whole season. Dumping him for nothing is silly. If we can pickup a player that is really good, then go for it. But dont dump him just to pick up a stretch 4. We dont need that. Crowder is doing just fine as our PF and Favors can play more and we can be really good with him there assuming our PG can stretch the floor.

I believe Locke said that Donovan playing point with Favors and Gobert was about 8% in overall offensive efficiency, which is horrid. However that combo was the best in the league defensively at 99% for an overall positive. Add Conley, move Spida to the 2 and use either Joe or Royce, and that is an even better defensive lineup. with a lot of the offensive liability taken away.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I don't see any reason for Memphis to wait around for us if we strike out in FA. Conley is a good enough player that you can be sure there are other suitors than us.

I also have to push back a bit that we made a huge mistake last season, especially if some of those players we signed end up getting traded for Conley this summer. I don't think any of those other names you mentioned would have tipped the scales enough to improve the result of last season.

Faking out Bjelica so that the Jazz could commit $30 million to a total ****ing lemon made a massive difference, as did re-upping Favors (which is forgivable considering the particulars of the contract).

 

[Roy_McAvoy]

Once again, here's why I don't like the Conley deal.

In two years the Jazz will likely have Gobert on a supermax ($50mm/year) and Mitchell on a max deal ($30mm/year. That's $80 million between those 2 guys. That leaves limited cap space for the rest of the roster. If Conley is coming off the books the Jazz will basically not be able to sign any outside impact players. If the Jazz struck out on top FA's this year but alternatively signed some younger plan B type guys (Think Bobby Portis, Jabari, Terry Rozier, etc) Then those guys would be under contract for longer and then the Jazz would have their bird's rights to resign them in the future even though they're over the cap.

Basically with the Conley deal I think the Jazz will be screwed in two years.

 

[infection]

A fad of stretch 4s is not a roundly disproven basketball philosophy. Its an easy excuse to say the stats lie because it was against scrubs. That is not true at all.

Last year in the playoffs Gobert and Favors together was our most used lineup producing +23. Crowder coming in was -11.6. Was that against scrubs? Favors with Crowder was our next best used lineup in the playoffs last year. Plus Favors was hobbled.

This year Favors was our best player in the playoffs.

I think you and others just want to find some magical solution and have decided that a stretch 4 is our problem. Our problem is piss poor play at PG since Dwill left. Having 2 elite pick and roll bigs in the game with PGs that cant run a decent pick and roll and cant shoot when left open kills them.

Its easy to counter Gobert. You can pull a big out of the paint no problem. You cant pull 2 of them out. That makes our defense elite. Favors can space the floor on offense with his mid range shot and his ability to run the pick and roll very well. He also cleans up on offensive rebounds.

Again he is a really good player and dumping him for the sake of chasing some stretch 4 who is worse makes the team worse.

If letting him go nets us a better 4, great. If letting him go nets us a really good PG like Russell, great. If we can keep him and land a great PG, even better.

I think there are plenty of attainable guys who, with or without Conley, will improve our team in place of Favors. To name a few: Jabari, Niko, Aminu, Gay, maybe even Jamychal Green.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

The jazz need to explore younger trade options and they probably pay high for the word "potential"... I would explore options like Lavine, Porter Jr, even Love at 30 offers at least some potential to get better. There is no "equity" in Conley, he cannot get more valuable, he just gets older and older and more expensive over the next 2 years.

You are just completely dismissing what a monumentally massive upgrade Conley is at our position most in need

 

[infection]

Once again, here's why I don't like the Conley deal.

In two years the Jazz will likely have Gobert on a supermax ($50mm/year) and Mitchell on a max deal ($30mm/year. That's $80 million between those 2 guys. That leaves limited cap space for the rest of the roster. If Conley is coming off the books the Jazz will basically not be able to sign any outside impact players. If the Jazz struck out on top FA's this year but alternatively signed some younger plan B type guys (Think Bobby Portis, Jabari, Terry Rozier, etc) Then those guys would be under contract for longer and then the Jazz would have their bird's rights to resign them in the future even though they're over the cap.

Basically with the Conley deal I think the Jazz will be screwed in two years.

I view it the other way around. Getting to a higher level requires picking up some inertia. Once the inertia gets going, it's easier to maintain. Conley gives us inertia. I think piddling around with our current plans puts is in a place where picking up momentum in two years is impossible.

 

[Zombie]

Faking out Bjelica so that the Jazz could commit $30 million to a total ****ing lemon made a massive difference, as did re-upping Favors (which is forgivable considering the particulars of the contract).

If you take last season in a vacuum sure, the Exum deal sucked. I don't buy that Bjelica moves the needle much on our postseason success though. And again, if Exum is part of the deal that lands us Conley I'm good with it.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

I can't figure out how we get Conley without losing a number of players. I tried NBA Trade Machine and got rejected on the following deal:

Jazz Get - Mike Conley

Memphis Gets - Dante Exum, Kyle Korver, Thabo Sefalosha, Tony Bradley

THIS TRADE FAILED - Cut $5,450,000 from the Jazz incoming trade value.

The Jazz cannot trade Ricky Rubio or Ekpe Udoh according to Trade Machine. Is that true? If we can trade Rubio then I would easily do:

Dante Exum, Ricky Rubio, Expe Udoh, Kyle Korver, Thabo Sefalosha, and Tony Bradley, and 2 draft picks for Mike Conley and Avery Bradley.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I think there are plenty of attainable guys who, with or without Conley, will improve our team in place of Favors. To name a few: Jabari, Niko, Aminu, Gay, maybe even Jamychal Green.

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Those I disagree with, if its just them vs Favors. If it is them and a good PG or even SG that we could not get with Favors then we are talking about something.

 

[NUMBERICA]

If you take last season in a vacuum sure, the Exum deal sucked. I don't buy that Bjelica moves the needle much on our postseason success though. And again, if Exum is part of the deal that lands us Conley I'm good with it.

You don’t buy that a legit shooting and playmaking big (better than anything we have on the roster) wouldn’t have made a difference when all of our shaky shooting got badly exposed? I absolutely disagree.

Furthermore, a game or two difference in the regular season dictates a different and almost-certainly more favorable matchup.

 

[Zombie]

I can't figure out how we get Conley without losing a number of players. I tried NBA Trade Machine and got rejected on the following deal:

Jazz Get - Mike Conley

Memphis Gets - Dante Exum, Kyle Korver, Thabo Sefalosha, Tony Bradley

THIS TRADE FAILED - Cut $5,450,000 from the Jazz incoming trade value.

The Jazz cannot trade Ricky Rubio or Ekpe Udoh according to Trade Machine. Is that true? If we can trade Rubio then I would easily do:

Dante Exum, Ricky Rubio, Expe Udoh, Kyle Korver, Thabo Sefalosha, and Tony Bradley, and 2 draft picks for Mike Conley and Avery Bradley.

I'm pretty sure the trade is going to have to involve Jae, and the trade machine may be using Korvers pre guarantee salary number.

 

[LoPo]

I view it the other way around. Getting to a higher level requires picking up some inertia. Once the inertia gets going, it's easier to maintain. Conley gives us inertia. I think piddling around with our current plans puts is in a place where picking up momentum in two years is impossible.

Derek Fisher gave us a ton of inertia, he left after a year (which Conley could do since he has a player option), and we could be screwed because we didn't get a more long term piece.